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    Eloy Jiminez to AA

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:28 pm

    Jiminez crushed the ball last year in AA, although that was just 68 at bats.



    He was 4 for 7 with 2 HR this spring.


    50 years ago, he probably makes the team.  Today, he gets screwed by the service time clock.  The White Sox will keep him down on the farm until at least late June because of it.  Need to avoid Super-2 status  I suspect he is back at AA due to all the QUAD A outfielders that need to be in AAA.  I would not be surprised if Jiminez is recalled straight from AA.


    FYI, Barons home opener is Wednesday night, April 11
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    Re: Eloy Jiminez to AA

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:17 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Jiminez crushed the ball last year in AA, although that was just 68 at bats.



    He was 4 for 7 with 2 HR this spring.


    50 years ago, he probably makes the team.  Today, he gets screwed by the service time clock.  The White Sox will keep him down on the farm until at least late June because of it.  Need to avoid Super-2 status  I suspect he is back at AA due to all the QUAD A outfielders that need to be in AAA.  I would not be surprised if Jiminez is recalled straight from AA.


    FYI, Barons home opener is Wednesday night, April 11


    Not sure why Jiminez is starting in AA either except that he spent only a short time there (140 AB's or thereabouts) last year.  Maybe the Sox don't want to put undue pressure on him too soon. 
    Now that Willy Garcia is gone, there shouldn't be any logjam of OFers in AAA with Tilson, May and Palka being the main guys.  Frankly, don't see why Palka should even be around. He's  26, had a 759 OPS in AAA last year and is hitting a cool .120 in Spring Training. 
    Hopefully Jiminez would spend a couple months crushing AA pitching, then move to AAA and be up in a September callup.   Then next year not come up until May so as to delay his free agency another season. This is what the Braves are doing this year with the # 1 prospect in baseball, Ron Acuna.  Sending him to AAA for a month then he'll become the regular LFer.  Same thing the Cubs did with Kris Bryant.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:38 pm

    Some think Jiminez is up by All Star break

    Let’s see how he hits.  You can only screw the service time clock for sure long

    Part of the reason he is AA and not AAA
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:02 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Some think Jiminez is up by All Star break

    Let’s see how he hits.  You can only screw the service time clock for sure long

    Part of the reason he is AA and not AAA

    I saw he only had 73 PA's in AA last year so that plus just 7 aB's in Spring.. Maybe that's too small a sample to base an immediate promo to AAA... More importantly, Sox don't have any urgency to rush him to the majors particularly since it's a non-competitive year with a mish-mosh pitching staff.   Look at what the Cubs did with Kris Bryant in 2014 when he was 22.  He murdered AA pitching (1.160) then got sent to AAA where he completely mashed (1.030).  Still didn't even get a Sept. callup.   Then the next year he got 33 AB's in AAA to kill off another year of ML service time (like Braves will do with Acuna this year).
    Not sure the Sox will keep Jiminez down as long as the Cubs did on Bryant, but there were clear advantages to Cubs in doing it.  Bryant won't be a free agent until 2022 - that's 7 full seasons.  
    Jiminez plays this season as a 21 year old.   I don't blame the Sox for not bringing him up until September, if at all.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:49 am

    Like I said, 50 years ago he makes the team.  Ditto Kopech.  Today, you have to screw with the service time clock.  In this case, not the worst thing in the world.  Another year in the minors shouldn't hurt them.  Ideally, both come up in September, then make the 2019 Opening Day roster and finish 1 & 2 for rookie of the year


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    Re: Eloy Jiminez to AA

    Post by rmapasad on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:22 am

    If the Sox want to preserve an extra year before free agency, Jiminez should not be on the Opening Day roster of 2019. Assuming a Sept 2018 callup, having a guy spend April and the first week of May 2019 in AAA instead of the majors would delay his free agency until 2026 instead of 2025. 

    If the Sox feel they are realistic contenders in 2019 and that having Jiminez in April is essential to making them as competitive as possible, then he may be Opening Day LFer in 2019. But, as with the Cubs and Bryant or the Braves and Acuna this year, can't blame the Sox if they do opt to keep him down in the minors an extra 2 - 5 weeks to start the year so they can preserve that extra year of control. 
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:42 am

    Apples and oranges


    Anita Bryant was never a September callup.  Ditto Acuna.


    Once Jiminez is up, OUR White Sox ain't going to be sending him down unless he is some kind of flop.


    Just because you have already written off 2019 doesn't make it so.  Let's play some game first.  If Jiminez is killing everything in sight, then get him here at the break.  If his knee bothers him all year or struggles for some other reason, then we can wait


    Again, quite a few people believe OUR White Sox are contending next year.  Rick Hahn is one of them
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    Re: Eloy Jiminez to AA

    Post by rmapasad on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:24 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Apples and oranges


    Anita Bryant was never a September callup.  Ditto Acuna.


    Once Jiminez is up, OUR White Sox ain't going to be sending him down unless he is some kind of flop.


    Just because you have already written off 2019 doesn't make it so.  Let's play some game first.  If Jiminez is killing everything in sight, then get him here at the break.  If his knee bothers him all year or struggles for some other reason, then we can wait


    Again, quite a few people believe OUR White Sox are contending next year.  Rick Hahn is one of them

    I think Hahn has tried to tamp down expectations again this year and it's pretty easy to see why.  He's already been burned once when the Sox cut their 2013-2014 rebuild short to play win-now in 2015.   So if the young guys aren't maturing super-fast this year, particularly pitchers, he may be cautious about a bold win-now strategy in 2019.

    Putting Jiminez on the Opening Day roster rather than waiting until May 15, 2019 would be a win-now move.   Not that Hahn would be afraid to do it.  But both  Jiminez and other key younger players would have to prove this year that they've developed fast enough to make the Sox realistic contenders from the get-go in 2019.  From where we sit right now that's a tough call to make. 

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    Re: Eloy Jiminez to AA

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:32 am

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Apples and oranges


    Anita Bryant was never a September callup.  Ditto Acuna.


    Once Jiminez is up, OUR White Sox ain't going to be sending him down unless he is some kind of flop.


    Just because you have already written off 2019 doesn't make it so.  Let's play some game first.  If Jiminez is killing everything in sight, then get him here at the break.  If his knee bothers him all year or struggles for some other reason, then we can wait


    Again, quite a few people believe OUR White Sox are contending next year.  Rick Hahn is one of them

    I think Hahn has tried to tamp down expectations again this year and it's pretty easy to see why.  He's already been burned once when the Sox cut their 2013-2014 rebuild short to play win-now in 2015.   So if the young guys aren't maturing super-fast this year, particularly pitchers, he may be cautious about a bold win-now strategy in 2019.

    Putting Jiminez on the Opening Day roster rather than waiting until May 15, 2019 would be a win-now move.   Not that Hahn would be afraid to do it.  But both  Jiminez and other key younger players would have to prove this year that they've developed fast enough to make the Sox realistic contenders from the get-go in 2019.  From where we sit right now that's a tough call to make. 




    Duh


    You truly are the master of the obvious

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