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    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:28 am

    Yesterday, Nick Delmonico suffered a "left shoulder subluxation" which is a partial dislocation of the left shoulder.


    Crying shame Dr Jay left the board.  Now who do rely on for a medical opinion


    Perhaps Mr RobZ has some insight as to the serious of this injury.  After all, he still plays organized ball and is constantly going to the doctor for it.


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    Delmonico was a lock for the LF job.  If this injury causes him to miss anytime, than Ryan Cordell is most likely OUR White Sox new LF.


    Replacing Delmonico's spot on the would probably come down to Casey Gillaspie, Dan Palka, or Matt Skole


    This injury most likely guarantees a 12 man staff to open the season.  although that migh have already been the case.


    Crying shame Wily Garcia got hurt over the winter.  This just might have been his golden opportunity


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    PS, top prospect Luis Robert out 10 - 12 weeks with a thumb injury
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    Re: Now this hurts

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:55 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Yesterday, Nick Delmonico suffered a "left shoulder subluxation" which is a partial dislocation of the left shoulder.
    Crying shame Dr Jay left the board.  Now who do rely on for a medical opinion
    Perhaps Mr RobZ has some insight as to the serious of this injury.  After all, he still plays organized ball and is constantly going to the doctor for it.
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    Delmonico was a lock for the LF job.  If this injury causes him to miss anytime, than Ryan Cordell is most likely OUR White Sox new LF.
    Replacing Delmonico's spot on the would probably come down to Casey Gillaspie, Dan Palka, or Matt Skole
    This injury most likely guarantees a 12 man staff to open the season.  although that migh have already been the case.
    Crying shame Wily Garcia got hurt over the winter.  This just might have been his golden opportunity
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    PS, top prospect Luis Robert out 10 - 12 weeks with a thumb injury


    No question that this opens the door for Cordell.  He had actually been competing for the CF job and now his 1.060 spring OPS puts him in the driver's seat for LF.   Which is OK since he's 26 and it's about time for him to show what he can do in the majors.

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    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:13 pm

    Its quite possible the Delmonico injury ends up costing Yolmer the hidden gem.


    Of Cordell plays well, he could steal the LF job from Delmonico.


    Delmonico came up as a 3B.  So maybe he takes playing time away from Yolmer.


    Or maybe Delmonico DH's which could cause current DH Matt Davidson to move to his original position of 3B,  So again, playing time taken away from Yolmer.


    But then, if Cordell plays well, maybe he simply moves to CF.  Which is another possibility given the suspect bat of Adam Engel.  In a similiar vein, Matt Davidson also has a suspect bat.  Meaning that Yolmer the hidden gem may only need to be the tallest midget with the bat.


    Again the KARK asks the philosophical question:


    If its OK to play a subpar glove in order to get another bat in the lineup, then why not a bad bat in order to play gold glove caliber talent.  And Yolmer's bat is not that bad.  In fact, its about league average
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    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:24 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Its quite possible the Delmonico injury ends up costing Yolmer the hidden gem.
    Of Cordell plays well, he could steal the LF job from Delmonico.
    Delmonico came up as a 3B.  So maybe he takes playing time away from Yolmer.
    Or maybe Delmonico DH's which could cause current DH Matt Davidson to move to his original position of 3B,  So again, playing time taken away from Yolmer.
    But then, if Cordell plays well, maybe he simply moves to CF.  Which is another possibility given the suspect bat of Adam Engel.  In a similiar vein, Matt Davidson also has a suspect bat.  Meaning that Yolmer the hidden gem may only need to be the tallest midget with the bat.
    Again the KARK asks the philosophical question:
    If its OK to play a subpar glove in order to get another bat in the lineup, then why not a bad bat in order to play gold glove caliber talent.  And Yolmer's bat is not that bad.  In fact, its about league average
    Actually, Sanchez's 732 OPS was about 20 points below an average AL 2bman last year.  But yes, his glove made him a somewhat above average 2bman.  Had he kept hitting like he did in May (.316), maybe the Sox would have thought about moving Moncada to 3b like the Red Sox did. But Yolmer's 638 July OPS would have killed off any ideas of Moncada going to 3b.
    Yet Sanchez finished strong last year playing 3b - 4 HR's and .853 OPS in September and his 3b defensive numbers were even better than his 2b #'s.  Still, it's to hard to believe the Sox see Sanchez as a longer-term 3b solution with his OPS 40 points below league average 3bmen last year.
    Which is why the Sox nosing around Moustakas made sense, especially after the Burger injury this spring. They clearly could have had Moose on a 3 year deal, 4th year option, which would tied the 3b job in a neat little bow through 2020-2021. 
    Probably like other teams the Sox concluded Moose was likely to be an overpaid mediocrity and payroll albatross on a longer term deal.   But it leaves 3b as unsettled as ever.
    Sanchez has 4th most AB's of any Sox this spring and his 1.020 OPS is the second best among guys with 20+ AB's.  So he's likely starting 3bman on Opening Day. But he won't keep that job for long if he's hitting below .250 by mid-June. Then Davidson, Delmonico, or Cordell who've all played 3b may start stealing AB's. Yolmer has a big hill to climb to keep his starting role if 3b is the only way for him to do it.

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    Re: Now this hurts

    Post by Soxillinirob on Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:53 pm

    Hard to be sure how serious it is.  It can be something that is fine in a few weeks, or in several months.  if the cause of the dislocation is some kind of recurring problem, then he'll need surgery or extensive therapy to strengthen the socket.  If there's a week spot that isn't getting better, it'll keep subluxating.  If it was just a trauma injury and is back in place and needing healing, he might be better very soon.  No way to tell beyond that.  I had a friend who suffered from this in a chronic sense in 1987 and repairing it ended his college basketball career.  Surgeries are much more successful now, and easier to do.  Hopefully this is just a one time injury.  One time we had a guy on my softball team fully dislocate his shoulder turning a double play.  We went over and pulled his arm and got it back into place and he finished the game and never complained about it again for the rest of the season.  That's a real man!

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    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:28 pm

    Soxillinirob wrote:Hard to be sure how serious it is.  It can be something that is fine in a few weeks, or in several months.  if the cause of the dislocation is some kind of recurring problem, then he'll need surgery or extensive therapy to strengthen the socket.  If there's a week spot that isn't getting better, it'll keep subluxating.  If it was just a trauma injury and is back in place and needing healing, he might be better very soon.  No way to tell beyond that.  I had a friend who suffered from this in a chronic sense in 1987 and repairing it ended his college basketball career.  Surgeries are much more successful now, and easier to do.  Hopefully this is just a one time injury.  One time we had a guy on my softball team fully dislocate his shoulder turning a double play.  We went over and pulled his arm and got it back into place and he finished the game and never complained about it again for the rest of the season.  That's a real man!


    Delmonico got hurt during the game.  I believe he collided with Saladino


    Hopefully a shot on MAN juice will cure him

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    Re: Now this hurts

    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:30 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Its quite possible the Delmonico injury ends up costing Yolmer the hidden gem.
    Of Cordell plays well, he could steal the LF job from Delmonico.
    Delmonico came up as a 3B.  So maybe he takes playing time away from Yolmer.
    Or maybe Delmonico DH's which could cause current DH Matt Davidson to move to his original position of 3B,  So again, playing time taken away from Yolmer.
    But then, if Cordell plays well, maybe he simply moves to CF.  Which is another possibility given the suspect bat of Adam Engel.  In a similiar vein, Matt Davidson also has a suspect bat.  Meaning that Yolmer the hidden gem may only need to be the tallest midget with the bat.
    Again the KARK asks the philosophical question:
    If its OK to play a subpar glove in order to get another bat in the lineup, then why not a bad bat in order to play gold glove caliber talent.  And Yolmer's bat is not that bad.  In fact, its about league average
    Actually, Sanchez's 732 OPS was about 20 points below an average AL 2bman last year.  But yes, his glove made him a somewhat above average 2bman.  Had he kept hitting like he did in May (.316), maybe the Sox would have thought about moving Moncada to 3b like the Red Sox did. But Yolmer's 638 July OPS would have killed off any ideas of Moncada going to 3b.
    Yet Sanchez finished strong last year playing 3b - 4 HR's and .853 OPS in September and his 3b defensive numbers were even better than his 2b #'s.  Still, it's to hard to believe the Sox see Sanchez as a longer-term 3b solution with his OPS 40 points below league average 3bmen last year.
    Which is why the Sox nosing around Moustakas made sense, especially after the Burger injury this spring. They clearly could have had Moose on a 3 year deal, 4th year option, which would tied the 3b job in a neat little bow through 2020-2021. 
    Probably like other teams the Sox concluded Moose was likely to be an overpaid mediocrity and payroll albatross on a longer term deal.   But it leaves 3b as unsettled as ever.
    Sanchez has 4th most AB's of any Sox this spring and his 1.020 OPS is the second best among guys with 20+ AB's.  So he's likely starting 3bman on Opening Day. But he won't keep that job for long if he's hitting below .250 by mid-June. Then Davidson, Delmonico, or Cordell who've all played 3b may start stealing AB's. Yolmer has a big hill to climb to keep his starting role if 3b is the only way for him to do it.



    Again my point is why not flip flop Yoan and Yolmer on the diamond and let Yolmer be Manny Trillo for the next decade.
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    Re: Now this hurts

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:56 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:

    Again my point is why not flip flop Yoan and Yolmer on the diamond and let Yolmer be Manny Trillo for the next decade.

    As you know, I have no disagreement with that. If Sanchez can't top a 720-730 OPS, that makes 3b a subpar spot for the Sox unless Yolmer is the second coming of Brooks Robinson at the hot corner.  Plus all the other in-house solutions for the next 2-3 years have issues too and Burger may not be the answer either by 2021.  Where Moncada could be a perfectly fine solution for 3b.  
    Sanchez, should be at worst case a league average 2bman or slightly below when both bat and glove are considered. Best case, with a 770+ OPS and his defense, he could be a top 10 in majors 2ndbaseman.  But the Sox are afraid to move Moncada as though his role is set in stone and can never be changed.

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    Post by Guest on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:17 am

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:

    Again my point is why not flip flop Yoan and Yolmer on the diamond and let Yolmer be Manny Trillo for the next decade.

    As you know, I have no disagreement with that. If Sanchez can't top a 720-730 OPS, that makes 3b a subpar spot for the Sox unless Yolmer is the second coming of Brooks Robinson at the hot corner.  Plus all the other in-house solutions for the next 2-3 years have issues too and Burger may not be the answer either by 2021.  Where Moncada could be a perfectly fine solution for 3b.  
    Sanchez, should be at worst case a league average 2bman or slightly below when both bat and glove are considered. Best case, with a 770+ OPS and his defense, he could be a top 10 in majors 2ndbaseman.  But the Sox are afraid to move Moncada as though his role is set in stone and can never be changed.

    They must also see Yolmer as nothing more than a utility guy.  Surprised a team like Milwaukee hasn't tried to pry him loose.  Its obvious that Yolmer is not currently in the White Sox long term plans


    Anotherthing, my Yolmer love is all about the gold glove.  To me, any offense is a bonus.  As long as that OPS starts with a 7, I like him at 2B.  Obviously this is not an All-Star player, but you can't have an all-Star at every position.  What Yolmer is, in my not so humble opinion, is a long term anchor to the defense who doesn't kill you on offense.  How many years have us Sox fans had to suffer a line up with a 1/3 of the players below 700OPS with gloves nowhere near the caliber of Yolmer.  So let Yolmer win a decade of gold gloves and leave the exploding score board to that blue chip outfield we supposedly have in the minors.


    OK, maybe it sounds odd to build around the new age spanish Scottie Fletcher, but truth is stranger than fiction.  Again, you ain't going to have an All-Star at every position.  Sometimes you just need to avoid being stuck with absolute garbage.  Yolmer avoids it

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    Re: Now this hurts

    Post by Guest on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:18 am

    Delmonico is suppose to have an MRI Wednesday and is expected back this weekend as the injury is not considered serious and the MRI is just precautionary.
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    Post by Soxillinirob on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:53 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Delmonico is suppose to have an MRI Wednesday and is expected back this weekend as the injury is not considered serious and the MRI is just precautionary.

    That's a good sign.  Figured that'd be the case.  If the injury keeps recurring, then they will go in and fix it.

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    Post by Guest on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:29 am

    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Delmonico is suppose to have an MRI Wednesday and is expected back this weekend as the injury is not considered serious and the MRI is just precautionary.

    That's a good sign.  Figured that'd be the case.  If the injury keeps recurring, then they will go in and fix it.


    I guess that all depends on how often he runs into people and things.


    Haven't seen anything on tyler saladino, who was adminstered concussion protocol
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    Post by Soxillinirob on Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:09 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:

    That's a good sign.  Figured that'd be the case.  If the injury keeps recurring, then they will go in and fix it.


    I guess that all depends on how often he runs into people and things.


    Haven't seen anything on tyler saladino, who was adminstered concussion protocol

    Sometimes it becomes a problem whereas the simplest contact causes the subluxation to keep recurring, such as just a basic slide into base on a steal.  I thought Carlos Quentin had something akin to this late in his run here.  If the joint weakens, you can dislocate the shoulder getting your mail out of the box.

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