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    Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:25 pm

    https://www.rotoballer.com/mlb/player/456715/Lorenzo+Cain

    3 year deal


    first known offer made to Cain


    Looks like those predicting Cain getting Dexter Fowler type contract are about a year behind on their info.  


    BTW, how the Cubs rebulit or how the Astros rebuilt has absolutely ZERO to do with when the White Sox rebuild will be over.  If one looks at the actually White Sox organization, instead if thinking glib, snarky remarks are some kind of real analysis, one can clearly see a path to contending in 2019.


    That's not to say its a given.


    We all know the questions that need to be answered.  But only the Good Lord knows how many will be positively answered.  From where the KARK is sitting, a plus is just as likely as a minus.


    Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if guys like Jiminez and Kopech lead a 2nd half charge at the 2nd wildcard
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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:04 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:https://www.rotoballer.com/mlb/player/456715/Lorenzo+Cain

    3 year deal


    first known offer made to Cain


    Looks like those predicting Cain getting Dexter Fowler type contract are about a year behind on their info.  


    BTW, how the Cubs rebulit or how the Astros rebuilt has absolutely ZERO to do with when the White Sox rebuild will be over.  If one looks at the actually White Sox organization, instead if thinking glib, snarky remarks are some kind of real analysis, one can clearly see a path to contending in 2019.


    That's not to say its a given.


    We all know the questions that need to be answered.  But only the Good Lord knows how many will be positively answered.  From where the KARK is sitting, a plus is just as likely as a minus.


    Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if guys like Jiminez and Kopech lead a 2nd half charge at the 2nd wildcard

    Another rumor about Cain but he hasn't taken any offer yet.  I said Cain's agent would be looking for a Fowler deal but since Cain is a year older than Fowler at signing, 4 years looks more realistic for Cain.  He may have to settle for 3 years if the market is that soft but if he settles for anything less than the $ 60 mil, 3 years Santana did, his agent is an idiot.  Cain is better than Santana.   I also think he'd take a 3 year deal with the Cubs (or any other recent contender) rather than a rebuilding team like the Sox. 

    As to saying how long it took the Cubs and Astros to rebuild from scratch is irrelevant is total Sox myopia.  You should challenge this guy Murphy for SFOD President !!!!  Yes, the Sox are a super organization that because of its front office brilliance, great player development program and financially supportive owner will be the first team in baseball history to do a complete teardown, stock themselves with 20-23 year old prospects and then contend after only 2 years of rebuild !!!
    BELIEVE   !!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:58 pm

    Again, snarky remarks is not a real analysis


    The Cubs have nothing to do with whether or nor Avisail Garcia is for real, Yolmer is a hidden gem, Jiminez and Moncada are the new Ruth and Gehrig and Anderson becomes the 3rd A in the list of great Chicago short stops


    The Astros have nothing to do with Kopech becoming the next Nolan Ryan or with Giolito and Rodon being the Chicago version of Koufax and Drysdale, or with all those power bullpen arms forming a nasty boyz group like the 1990 Reds


    Logic would dictate that if these guys are for real, it will show sooner rather than later.  Granted 2019 will be real real soon, but it clearly is within the realm of possibility


    BTW, just because Carlos Santana got overpaid, doesn't mean Cain or any of the others still sitting out their will.  Sure, some will get their cash.  But history says that others won't. 


    And just WTF is a TEAM LIKE THE SOX suppose to mean?!?!?!??!  If the money is there, why wouldn't he sign with the Sox?!!?!?  Chicago is a great city.  Plus Comiskey is a modern park, not some fossil with out of date clubhouses.  He'd get to stay in the AL.  Plus anybody can see the White Sox are the next big thing and Cain could be a part of it
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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by rmapasad on Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:39 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Again, snarky remarks is not a real analysis
    The Cubs have nothing to do with whether or nor Avisail Garcia is for real, Yolmer is a hidden gem, Jiminez and Moncada are the new Ruth and Gehrig and Anderson becomes the 3rd A in the list of great Chicago short stops
    The Astros have nothing to do with Kopech becoming the next Nolan Ryan or with Giolito and Rodon being the Chicago version of Koufax and Drysdale, or with all those power bullpen arms forming a nasty boyz group like the 1990 Reds
    Logic would dictate that if these guys are for real, it will show sooner rather than later.  Granted 2019 will be real real soon, but it clearly is within the realm of possibility
    BTW, just because Carlos Santana got overpaid, doesn't mean Cain or any of the others still sitting out their will.  Sure, some will get their cash.  But history says that others won't. 
    And just WTF is a TEAM LIKE THE SOX suppose to mean?!?!?!??!  If the money is there, why wouldn't he sign with the Sox?!!?!?  Chicago is a great city.  Plus Comiskey is a modern park, not some fossil with out of date clubhouses.  He'd get to stay in the AL.  Plus anybody can see the White Sox are the next big thing and Cain could be a part of it

    Would be a surprise if Cain didn't get a good offer from some contender or near contender of last year.   Cubs, Rangers, Mariners, Brewers, Indians, have needs that he could fit and even the Royals have been rumored to think about bringing him back. 

    Comiskey is a modern park ?  LMAO.  The Cell is one of the oldest parks aside from Wrigley, Dodger Stadium and Fenway which are venerated old stadiums.  What is special about the Cell ?
    Please.

    Saying that the Sox won't be the fastest successful rebuilder in recent baseball history is hardly "snarky". I'd call it reality which is a refreshing concept for a franchise that has been suffering from myopia and delusional optimism ever since winning the championship 13 years ago.   If you want to continue the delusional optimism, so be it.  But thankfully Hahn seems to have put a stop to that Kenny Williams-type nonsense.

    Sox just signed Miguel Gonzalez to serve as rotation cannon fodder one more year.  This pretty much sums up what Hahn thinks of the Sox's "transitional" year.   Spend as little as possible to get a team on the field and use 2018 as another evaluation season to see what the Sox need to do in 2019 to get ready for the realistic contention years of 2020-2022.

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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:55 am

    Comiskey is a modern park ?  LMAO.  The Cell is one of the oldest parks aside from Wrigley, Dodger Stadium and Fenway which are venerated old stadiums.  What is special about the Cell ?
    Please.


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    Please?!?!?!?!?


    You just lumped the Cell with Wrigley!!!!!!!!


    80 year difference pal


    Aren't there a lot of complaints about the clubhouses in Wrigley and Fenway?!?!!?


    So yes, the Cell is modern because 1990 is still modern

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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:03 am

    Saying that the Sox won't be the fastest successful rebuilder in recent baseball history is hardly "snarky". I'd call it reality which is a refreshing concept for a franchise that has been suffering from myopia and delusional optimism ever since winning the championship 13 years ago.   If you want to continue the delusional optimism, so be it.


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    deliberate pessimism is not reality.


    and yes there is a path for 2019 contention.


    I would say the odds are similiar to the odds Avisail Garcia had of hitting 330 a year ago today.


    Again, your analysis is really nothing more than snarky comments about Reinsdorf and Williams.


    Now if you if want to discuss actual players, it is the KARK's not so humble opinion that guys like Jiminez and Kopech will be up by the break and start kicking ass on day one.  If this turns out to be true, OUR White Sox just got two steps closer to the 2019 2nd wild card.


    PS, the guys in the clubhouse think that 2nd wild card is possible this year.  Maybe you can email Robert Warrne you snarky version of baseball history and have him post it in the clubhouse and bring these guys back down to earth

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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:09 am

    Sox just signed Miguel Gonzalez to serve as rotation cannon fodder one more year.  This pretty much sums up what Hahn thinks of the Sox's "transitional" year.   Spend as little as possible to get a team on the field and use 2018 as another evaluation season to see what the Sox need to do in 2019 to get ready for the realistic contention years of 2020-2022.


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    Again, I never said to get into a bidding War for Cain.


    But right now the only offer he has is a 3 year deal of an unknown amount.


    BTW, I really doubt OUR White Sox will be chasing the Bryce Harpers of the world regardless of where their payroll is at.


    PS, Gonzalez is a completely different situation.  Gonzalez eats innings to stop the service clock on guys like Kopech.  I doubt he lasts the year.  Cain on the other hand, immediately helps the team and can be a midterm fixture.  He plays a position with ZERO ready prospects.  His near gold glove caliber defense helps develop a young pitching staff.  good young pitching needs good fielding like peanut butter needs jelly.
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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:18 pm

    The Cubs are the WIN NOW-RELOAD team.
    The Sox FINALLY are putting together a lot of young talent.
    Murphy is one of the dumbest asses in Sox Fan HISTORY!!
    A smug bastard with NO BRAINS!!
    A follower of the equally smug DIPSHIT, Richard Lindberg!!

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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by Guest on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 am

    11 days later, Lorenzo Cain is still available.


    OUR White Sox can still steal him then have a real leadoff hitter ready for 2019 when most pundits think the White Sox will return to the playoff chase!!!!


    Those of us that now how to calculate correlation coefficient understand that there is ZERO correlation between what the Cubs and Astros did and what OUR White Sox are currently doing!!!!


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    BTW, this is not meant to say that Cain is THE MISSING PIECE!!!!


    He may be A missing piece, but certainly is not the FINAL peace.


    If one loks at what is actually in the White Sox org instead of inventing statistical non sequiturs, One would see a guy like Cain helps the rebuild by providing much needed defense for a young pitching staff while also being the quality leadoff hitter the team will need if the Moncada's and Jiminez and Kopechs and Hansens develop quickly.  That, while clearly not a certainity, is still a real possibility.  So why handcuff oneself if Cain is obtainable at below market value


    Only a retard would think good fielding is bad for young pitching
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    Re: Lorenzo Cain to the Cubs?!?!?!?

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:53 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Those of us that now how to calculate correlation coefficient understand that there is ZERO correlation between what the Cubs and Astros did and what OUR White Sox are currently doing!!!!

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    Those who have a superficial understanding of what it took for the Cubs and Astros to build a contender have no clue in making these  emotional fanboy claims.
    Why claim the Sox can rebuild faster than any team in history ?
    Where's the common sense ? Gioloto, Lopez and Moncada will have barely over a year experience in majors in 2019.  Jiminez, Kopech, Hansen and Collins will have a 1/2 year experience, if that.  Rodon has shown a real problem staying healthy.  Anderson and Avi Garcia still need to prove they can have more than one successful season.

    The Sox have a plan and it needs time to work. 2018 is to check  progress, see who's worth keeping and can be counted on.  2019 is putting together the right pieces, getting some free agents and letting younger players mature.  2020 starts win-now.  No point over-expecting only to see under-performing.  That's been what the Sox have done for years.  Willingness to let the Plan play out is what a sensible fan should want..

    A good share of the guys that the Sox are counting on to supposedly contend in 2019 haven't made the majors yet, and suggesting that a team

    projecting that 2-3 of them will be up by midseason is totally unnecessary premature ejaculation. 

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