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    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:53 am

    Let's not count this guy out for the CF job.


    The man is also athletic enough that he has also seen time at 3B and SS professionally


    If not a starting job, the versitility makes him a good bet to make it the white Sox bench
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:08 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Let's not count this guy out for the CF job.


    The man is also athletic enough that he has also seen time at 3B and SS professionally


    If not a starting job, the versitility makes him a good bet to make it the white Sox bench
    He didn't play much CF last year in AAA.  May be a candidate for LF job though.  Since he has
    2 more option years left, I would imagine Sox would rather send him to AAA to play fulltime rather than put him on the bench in the majors

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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by Guest on Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:38 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Let's not count this guy out for the CF job.


    The man is also athletic enough that he has also seen time at 3B and SS professionally


    If not a starting job, the versitility makes him a good bet to make it the white Sox bench
    He didn't play much CF last year in AAA.  May be a candidate for LF job though.  Since he has
    2 more option years left, I would imagine Sox would rather send him to AAA to play fulltime rather than put him on the bench in the majors


    time will tell


    a lot can happen between now and March 29th.


    BTW, Cordell turns 26 two days after the 2018 opener.  So one has to wonder if he is a just a Quad A talent, which would make a bench spot completely appropriate
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:22 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Let's not count this guy out for the CF job.


    The man is also athletic enough that he has also seen time at 3B and SS professionally


    If not a starting job, the versitility makes him a good bet to make it the white Sox bench
    He didn't play much CF last year in AAA.  May be a candidate for LF job though.  Since he has
    2 more option years left, I would imagine Sox would rather send him to AAA to play fulltime rather than put him on the bench in the majors


    time will tell


    a lot can happen between now and March 29th.


    BTW, Cordell turns 26 two days after the 2018 opener.  So one has to wonder if he is a just a Quad A talent, which would make a bench spot completely appropriate

    You have to go back a couple years to early 2015 when Cordell was studly but that was as a 23 year old in high A in the hit-happy Cal League.   He didn't do well in AA but recovered some last year in AAA, although his home park was in very thin air (Colorado Springs) and his home OPS was nearly 400 pts higher than his road one.  So he looks pretty ordinary.  But he has some pop, some speed, some discipline and most important (like Avi Garcia at the beginning of 2017)  he's with a team that has opportunities for those who step up.   Who knows -he could be the next Soctt Brosius, Kevin Millar,
    or Brandon Inge who get a new lease on life after turning 27.

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    Post by Guest on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:44 am

    We can hope


    As for Leury, his biggest advantage is having the highest floor.  His biggest disadvantage is that he has the lowest ceiling.  However, the ceilings of his 2018 comps aren't all that high either.


    As for starting Cordell on the bench.  A bench spot on opening day is by no means a permanent decision.  I've seen plenty of White Sox warming the bench on April 1 just to be named the regular on May 1
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by rmapasad on Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:18 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:We can hope


    As for Leury, his biggest advantage is having the highest floor.  His biggest disadvantage is that he has the lowest ceiling.  However, the ceilings of his 2018 comps aren't all that high either.


    As for starting Cordell on the bench.  A bench spot on opening day is by no means a permanent decision.  I've seen plenty of White Sox warming the bench on April 1 just to be named the regular on May 1

    True- both Leury Garcia and Yolmer Sanchez were considered Quad-A types, began 2017 as bench guys then ended up in starting jobs.   But both had already logged over 1000 PA's in AAA, proved they could handle that level, and were out of options (as was Davidson). So it made real sense to make them reserves at near minimum league salaries, and let them get enough PT to put some pressure on the not exactly lock-sure starters at the time (Avi Garcia, Jacob May and Tyler Saladino)  

    But Cordell has less than 300 PA's in AAA, half of which were in the mountains and his sea-level numbers weren't that good.  So he's still got some things to prove at that level.  Plus he still has at least one option year left.   IMO, that all points to starting the year in AAA unless he absolutely scorches the ball in Spring Training.   

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    Post by Guest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:47 pm

    But Cordell has less than 300 PA's in AAA, half of which were in the mountains and his sea-level numbers weren't that good.  So he's still got some things to prove at that level.  Plus he still has at least one option year left.   IMO, that all points to starting the year in AAA unless he absolutely scorches the ball in Spring Training.   


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    well I doubt anybody will be pushing him if he hits 150


    there will be a lot of moving parts come the spring.  so who knows where he lands.


    Personally, I believe if Cordell can't make the jump this spring, then his days in the White Sox org are most likely numbered.  You literally have a half dozen highly rated OF prospects that are all younger than Cordell.  Just a matter of time before these kids push Cordell out of the org.  
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by rmapasad on Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:18 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:But Cordell has less than 300 PA's in AAA, half of which were in the mountains and his sea-level numbers weren't that good.  So he's still got some things to prove at that level.  Plus he still has at least one option year left.   IMO, that all points to starting the year in AAA unless he absolutely scorches the ball in Spring Training.   


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    well I doubt anybody will be pushing him if he hits 150


    there will be a lot of moving parts come the spring.  so who knows where he lands.


    Personally, I believe if Cordell can't make the jump this spring, then his days in the White Sox org are most likely numbered.  You literally have a half dozen highly rated OF prospects that are all younger than Cordell.  Just a matter of time before these kids push Cordell out of the org.  

    Basically agree, as he turns 26 this year, and 2018 is make/break for him as it was for guys like Avi, Sanchez, Leury, Ashce, Liriano, etc. in 2017.  If he still has options left in 2019 the Sox might hold onto him for depth purposes and the outside shot he could pull off an age 27 turnaround.  
    I'm a little baffled that the Sox opted to take a Cordell type who is on the edge of obsolescence when they were trading a fairly valuable reliever like Schwarzak.  Given the premium clubs are now putting on good relievers, maybe the Sox should have opted for a younger prospect with a little longer runway.

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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by Guest on Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:40 am

    Wasn’t Schwarzak a 33 year old rental for 2 months?

    Maybe it was the best they could do

    Plus Cordell looks kinda toolsy, which the White Sox still value
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by rmapasad on Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:17 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Wasn’t Schwarzak a 33 year old rental for 2 months?

    Maybe it was the best they could do

    Plus Cordell looks kinda toolsy, which the White Sox still value

    True enough that Swarzak was just a rental and the Sox weren't in a position to demand one of the Brewers' top 6-7 prospects. That said, Brew Crew were shooting for a playoff spot and Swarzak had some real value to them.

    Yeah, Cordell is sorta toolsy and he was the most major league ready of the prospects the Sox could pick from.  But if Sox are enamored with toolsy upside, why not go for a lottery ticket 20-21 year old with raw talent but issues (like a 98mph guy who is struggling with control) ?

    Cordell looks like he has some chance to play in majors but he may not be much more than the Sox already have in Leury or Willy Garcia especially since he's just a RHed hitter, which Sox already have plenty of.
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    Re: Ryan Cordell

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:24 am

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