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    alohafri
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    Wellington Castillo

    Post by alohafri on Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:15 am

    How does that grab you Kark?
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:08 am

    He will be discussed at the SFOD Holiday Spectacular!!
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by rmapasad on Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:51 pm

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:He will be discussed at the SFOD Holiday Spectacular!!
     Win now - re-load
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by rmapasad on Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:40 pm

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:He will be discussed at the SFOD Holiday Spectacular!!

    See the logic of this signing in terms of helping the young pitching staff and having some insurance for 2020 if Collins isn't ready.  And $ 16 mil isn't breaking the bank especially since Sox have money to burn now.
    OTOH, Castillo turns 31 in 2018, is coming off his best season and Catchers historically start to fade at age 32 onward.  So this will not be some game-changer for the Sox, IMO, either short or long-term.  Would be good for the Sox to at some point to NOT sign a guy to a contract after his career best season.
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:30 am

    alohafri wrote:How does that grab you Kark?


    Why?!?!?!?!


    Was it me that said the White Sox needed a veteran catcher to help mentor the young pitching staff?!?!?


    I guess all those that claimed no sane GM would do what the KARK is suggesting owe me an apology
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by alohafri on Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:11 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:How does that grab you Kark?


    Why?!?!?!?!


    Was it me that said the White Sox needed a veteran catcher to help mentor the young pitching staff?!?!?


    I guess all those that claimed no sane GM would do what the KARK is suggesting owe me an apology

    You were hooked on a high-priced catcher on the downswing of his career. 
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:24 pm

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:How does that grab you Kark?


    Why?!?!?!?!


    Was it me that said the White Sox needed a veteran catcher to help mentor the young pitching staff?!?!?


    I guess all those that claimed no sane GM would do what the KARK is suggesting owe me an apology

    You were hooked on a high-priced catcher on the downswing of his career. 


    Let's hope Lorenzo Cain isn't far behind
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:36 pm

    Catchers historically start to fade at age 32 onward


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    How old was Carlton Fisk when he retired?


    Didn't Gary Carter win an MVP as 32?


    Jim Sundberg age 33 and 34 fits right in with any mid 20 year


    Again, you paint with a very broad brush.  The biggest driver for a catchers premature retirement is injuries.  I believe Castillo is healthy, and has not been overworked.


    should be a perfect compliment to Narvaez behind the plate.
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by alohafri on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:42 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Catchers historically start to fade at age 32 onward


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    How old was Carlton Fisk when he retired?


    Didn't Gary Carter win an MVP as 32?


    Jim Sundberg age 33 and 34 fits right in with any mid 20 year


    Again, you paint with a very broad brush.  The biggest driver for a catchers premature retirement is injuries.  I believe Castillo is healthy, and has not been overworked.


    should be a perfect compliment to Narvaez behind the plate.

    And you paint with an extremely narrow brush. You use two Hall of Famers and one Hall of Very Good player to prove your point about catchers still being good after age 32?


    But I agree. Castillo is a nice bridge catcher until Collins is ready...and he's cheaper than Matt Wieters would have/could have been.
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:54 pm

    I would have mentioned Ron Karkovice, but then, how could one tell since he always hit 200
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    Re: Wellington Castillo

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:07 pm

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Catchers historically start to fade at age 32 onward


    **********************************************


    How old was Carlton Fisk when he retired?


    Didn't Gary Carter win an MVP as 32?


    Jim Sundberg age 33 and 34 fits right in with any mid 20 year


    Again, you paint with a very broad brush.  The biggest driver for a catchers premature retirement is injuries.  I believe Castillo is healthy, and has not been overworked.


    should be a perfect compliment to Narvaez behind the plate.

    And you paint with an extremely narrow brush. You use two Hall of Famers and one Hall of Very Good player to prove your point about catchers still being good after age 32?


    But I agree. Castillo is a nice bridge catcher until Collins is ready...and he's cheaper than Matt Wieters would have/could have been.

    To me this signals that Sox may be thinking of contending in 2019 and want to have a veteran Catcher aboard to handle the pitching staff in case.   To your point, at $ 8 mil in 2019, Castillo isn't a big $$ gamble. Even if he's in his decline phase by then, he has some value as a mentor to Collins and the pitching staff, presumably.   Plus, by making 2020 an option year, all the Sox owe him is $ 500 K buyout if he looks like toast in 2019.  
    Not that this is a brilliant signing like the extensions to Quintana, Sale and Eaton were. It's not a dumb move like Adam Dunn, Melky Cabrera or James Shields. 

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