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    Post by rmapasad on Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:56 pm

    Just looked at SS rankings this year and Tim Anderson is the worst SS in majors , one run below replacement.   Worst defensively and third worst offensively.

    Sure, there's the next two months to right the ship, but after a bounceback May (833 OPS) the ship has been taking on water.  (540 June, 504 July).  Most troubling in July is the 1.9% walk rate and 26% K rate.   Those who answered 15 BB's (or less) in the Dilo Contest look to be right on the money. 

    Sure, he's doing his part to help the Sox lose 100+ games this year, but his plate discipline has gone beyond merely bad to historically god-awful... 

    It's obviously way too early to start writing this kid's obit as a big leaguer especially since he does have a lot of physical talent.  But no one has lasted 2000+ PA's in the majors over past 30 years with a K/BB ratio worse than 15%.  In 800 big league PA's, Anderson's at 10 %.

    He's got to mature, plain and simple or he will be a bust.  Sox can afford to toss this year and likely next away on his development.  But something's got to change or the contract he got this winter was yet another rose-colored glasses Sox move.  Signing a guy to a longer term deal, doesn't automatically mean he's going to live up to your expectations.
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    Re: Anderson

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

    $anME $o$o sucked his sophmore year, then went on to hit 600 HR.


    There's a reason its called a sophomore slump.


    The kid is going to be an extra base machine.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:43 pm

    Looked this up on fangraphs.


    Yes he is #23 of the 23 that qualify, but its not that difficult seeing him shoot up.  Only 8 SS have positive offense according to Fan graphs.  So any improvement with the bats shoots him up.  and given his physical tools, that big fat minus 10 in fielding should become positive in a year or two.  that improvement alone probably puts him in the top 10.


    Anderson just turned 24 six weeks ago.  Clearly the kid is pressing.  Let's just hope he doesn't lose that child like quality that makes the game fun like Beckham did.  Because Anderson's inner child has All Star written all over him
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    Post by rmapasad on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:37 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Looked this up on fangraphs.
    Yes he is #23 of the 23 that qualify, but its not that difficult seeing him shoot up.  Only 8 SS have positive offense according to Fan graphs.  So any improvement with the bats shoots him up.  and given his physical tools, that big fat minus 10 in fielding should become positive in a year or two.  that improvement alone probably puts him in the top 10.
    Anderson just turned 24 six weeks ago.  Clearly the kid is pressing.  Let's just hope he doesn't lose that child like quality that makes the game fun like Beckham did.  Because Anderson's inner child has All Star written all over him

    All Star ??  Let's first see if he can prove he's not a bust, a one year flash in the pan. He continues to get his shots because a) his contract and b) he's in an org that could care less about plate discipline as they keep batting him # 1 or # 2.  Other clubs would have sent him back to AAA to work on his weaknesses by now. Braves (also a non-contender) sent more highly regarded Dansby Swanson down recently and Anderson has been worse than Swanson.
    Maybe it's tempting to believe TA is one of those rare athletes who can keep getting away with terrible plate discipline.  But major league pitchers have a way of proving otherwise.
    Once they're locked in on a guy's weaknesses, they don't let him up for air. So much for "having fun."  This is fucking war.

    Anderson is only one of four guys in the last 75 years who had worse than a 12% BB/K ratio their rookie season.   The other three: Ernie Bowman, Angel Salazar and Andujar Cedeno. Not exactly a who's, who of all stars.  Only Cedeno managed more than 2000 PA's in his career but was -2 WAR for his career and had only one really decent season.   Here's hoping that Anderson hasn't already had has.   


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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:26 pm

    Anderson has been a shit show.
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:29 am

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Anderson has been a shit show.

    All kinds of excuses can be offered for why he sucks this year.  But it's very simple.   A guy who swings at every piece of crap pitch will eventually be exploited by big league pitching and will keep sucking until he stops doing that.  If Anderson can't stop doing that, then he won't stop sucking.. 
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    Re: Anderson

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:07 am

    rmapasad wrote:
    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Anderson has been a shit show.

    All kinds of excuses can be offered for why he sucks this year.  But it's very simple.   A guy who swings at every piece of crap pitch will eventually be exploited by big league pitching and will keep sucking until he stops doing that.  If Anderson can't stop doing that, then he won't stop sucking.. 


    Ozzie Guillen swung at everything.  He turned out OK.
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:52 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:


    Ozzie Guillen swung at everything.  He turned out OK.

    Wow - from being an All Star to now the next Ozzie Guillen ?  One helluva of a comedown.

    Ozzie was "OK" for about three-four years in late 80's and it was all because of his defense which was superior. His offense always sucked.  Sure, they're both allergic to walks, but Ozzie hardly ever struck out and that allowed him to hit .265 -.280 for a while.  Where Anderson's high K rate makes his BA much more high risk, like this year where he's wallowing in the .230's. 

    Thinking Anderson can keep putting up 2-3% BB rate, 25% +K rate and 30+ errors a year and be anything special is like believing in the Tooth Fairy.   This kid can't keep on this same path.  He needs to learn his craft.  He's gotten by on sheer athletic talent and now it's clear that's not enough. 
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    Re: Anderson

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:29 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:


    Ozzie Guillen swung at everything.  He turned out OK.

    Wow - from being an All Star to now the next Ozzie Guillen ?  One helluva of a comedown.

    Ozzie was "OK" for about three-four years in late 80's and it was all because of his defense which was superior. His offense always sucked.  Sure, they're both allergic to walks, but Ozzie hardly ever struck out and that allowed him to hit .265 -.280 for a while.  Where Anderson's high K rate makes his BA much more high risk, like this year where he's wallowing in the .230's. 

    Thinking Anderson can keep putting up 2-3% BB rate, 25% +K rate and 30+ errors a year and be anything special is like believing in the Tooth Fairy.   This kid can't keep on this same path.  He needs to learn his craft.  He's gotten by on sheer athletic talent and now it's clear that's not enough. 


    THANK YOU CAPT OBVIOUS


    THE KARK IS OF THE OPINION HE WILL IMPROVE AS A PLAYER.  APPARENTLY YOU ARE NOT.  TIME WILL TELL.  IT DOESN'T TAKE BILL JAMES TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE ANDERSON OF 2017 WON'T CUT IT.  IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE A BILL JAMES TO FIGURE OUT THAT BASEBALL HISTORY IS LITTERED WITH PLAYERS WHO OVERCAME A BAD SOPHOMORE SLUMP.  AGAIN, TIME WILL TELL.
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    Post by rmapasad on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:01 pm

    THE KARK IS OF THE OPINION HE WILL IMPROVE AS A PLAYER.  APPARENTLY YOU ARE NOT.  TIME WILL TELL.  IT DOESN'T TAKE BILL JAMES TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE ANDERSON OF 2017 WON'T CUT IT.  IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE A BILL JAMES TO FIGURE OUT THAT BASEBALL HISTORY IS LITTERED WITH PLAYERS WHO OVERCAME A BAD SOPHOMORE SLUMP.  AGAIN, TIME WILL TELL.>>

    My concern about Anderson is his plate discipline problem is so severe that it will be difficult to correct and the fact that it's even worse this year than his rookie season is not a good sign.

    Sure, sophomore slumps are real, and several other SS's are suffering from them (Swanson, Story, Diaz) this year too.  Some of it is typical regressing to the mean of BABIP's that were unrealistically high in their rookie seasons.  Anderson's was too, and that's part of his issue.
    But even if we were to give Anderson a fairly generous .333 BABIP this year, he'd still have a .280 OBP and 685 OPS.
    I think this is worsened by the Sox's enabling it. First with his contract over the offseason (ie., just keep doing what you're doing, kid) Second, continually batting him 1st and 2nd and finally, not sending him back to AAA which is what the Sox should have done two weeks ago.

    Writing this off as a mere sophomore slump and not addressing this kid's
    weaknesses simply is more rose-colored glasses Sox thinking.  Right now, he's got a long road to get to merely "mediocre".  If and when he can reach even that modest milestone, then we can talk about him as "one of the great Sox shortstops of all time".
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    Re: Anderson

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:01 pm

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