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    Jack Brickhouse
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Tue May 09, 2017 4:01 pm

    WIN NOW was a mantra for MOPES!!


    Idiocy.


    Years and years wasted while knuckleheads played with themselves in a self created fantasy world.


    There is no switch to hit in August to make a for shit team good.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 6:40 am

    It's like a marriage
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Wed May 10, 2017 2:00 pm

    It is not like a marriage.


    Nobody forces anybody to invest time and money in Jerry Reinsdorf's billion dollar White Sox.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by rmapasad on Wed May 10, 2017 3:00 pm

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:WIN NOW was a mantra for MOPES!!
    Idiocy.
    Years and years wasted while knuckleheads played with themselves in a self created fantasy world.
    There is no switch to hit in August to make a for shit team good.



    In Reinsdorf's realm, loyalty trumps competency and bargains are valued over quality.  So players are over-rated by virtue of wearing the Sox uniform and lineup holes are filled with cheap-ass solutions.  I believe win-now was understandable in order to take advantage of Sale, Quintana, and Eaton, but the Sox engaged in self-delusion about what was needed for it to work.  And put their delusion out to the fans. People who knew saw it for the propaganda it was.


    Reinsdorf was lauded for his "commitment" in 2015 for getting 4 free agents plus Samardzija but there were too many other snakes in the woodpile. Sox under-estimated how weak they truly were at 3b, 2b, SS, C, RF and one rotation spot and the bullpen going into 2015.  So when newcomers like Samardzija, Cabrera and LaRoche failed to meet expectations and Abreu declined further, the collapse was complete.

    2016 was not really that different.  Cheapness prevented the Sox from fixing SS, CF, DH, 2b  
    rotation vacancies and the bullpen the right way.  Plus by ignoring Frazier's and Shields' terrible 2nd half 2015, Sox over-estimated the kind of "fixes" they could provide.  So Sale, Eaton and Quintana were wasted once more by a lousy surrounding cast.

    Remains to be seen whether the FO has learned anything from these failures and becomes more realistic about evaluating talent in the future.






      



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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 3:07 pm

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:It is not like a marriage.


    Nobody forces anybody to invest time and money in Jerry Reinsdorf's billion dollar White Sox.



    LET'S COMPROMISE


    ITS LIKE A GAY MARRIAGE


    ONE GIANT PAIN IN THE BUTT
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 3:24 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Jack Brickhouse wrote:WIN NOW was a mantra for MOPES!!
    Idiocy.
    Years and years wasted while knuckleheads played with themselves in a self created fantasy world.
    There is no switch to hit in August to make a for shit team good.



    In Reinsdorf's realm, loyalty trumps competency and bargains are valued over quality.  So players are over-rated by virtue of wearing the Sox uniform and lineup holes are filled with cheap-ass solutions.  I believe win-now was understandable in order to take advantage of Sale, Quintana, and Eaton, but the Sox engaged in self-delusion about what was needed for it to work.  And put their delusion out to the fans. People who knew saw it for the propaganda it was.


    Reinsdorf was lauded for his "commitment" in 2015 for getting 4 free agents plus Samardzija but there were too many other snakes in the woodpile. Sox under-estimated how weak they truly were at 3b, 2b, SS, C, RF and one rotation spot and the bullpen going into 2015.  So when newcomers like Samardzija, Cabrera and LaRoche failed to meet expectations and Abreu declined further, the collapse was complete.

    2016 was not really that different.  Cheapness prevented the Sox from fixing SS, CF, DH, 2b  
    rotation vacancies and the bullpen the right way.  Plus by ignoring Frazier's and Shields' terrible 2nd half 2015, Sox over-estimated the kind of "fixes" they could provide.  So Sale, Eaton and Quintana were wasted once more by a lousy surrounding cast.

    Remains to be seen whether the FO has learned anything from these failures and becomes more realistic about evaluating talent in the future.

    The time to rebuild was after the 2010 season.


    I know people would question WHY REBUILD AFTER AN 88 WIN SEASON


    The answer to that is to look at the team from another direction.  88 wins was the best they could do with everything they got.  If your best isn't good enough, time to go back to the drawing board.  It didn't take a CPA with a 135IQ to realize 2010 was a last hurrah year for much of the team.


    But what gets overlooked was how unique it was for the White Sox to have 7 draft picks in the first 2 rounds.  Not only was this unique, the rules that gave them all those picks where going to disappear in the next CBA.  The White Sox can spend a boatload of cash anytime.  But all these draft picks were a one time window that would never ever open again.


    Only the Good Lord knows what would have happened had they gone this route.  I doubt it would have been any worse than what has actually happened.


    PS, until this organization realizes that young hitting is more important than young pitching, this team will always be flash in the pan.  Pitchers need a good lineup behind them to look good,  Hitters don't need pitchers.  Its easier and cheaper to buy a pitching staff than it is a lineup.  Yet this org has been obsessively pitching centric for as long as I can remember.


    The 1927 Yankees could complete with a staff of Mike Pelfreys.  the 1971 Orioles would be toast with a lineup filled with Adam LaRouches
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Wed May 10, 2017 8:10 pm

    Google...... Silver Chalice.


    Come back after you learn about it, change your name to Murph and tell me how important the Sox and Bulls winning is to Reinsdorf.


    Or, read the article, digest it and realize Reinsdorf is one of the greatest businessmen of any era.


    He  already sold 1/3 to Disney for ONE BILLION.  He moved the company from the Sox Limited Partnership to another and he and his investors cashed in.


    There are other things to do with $1 billion dollars than pay ballplayers.


    Somebody keep this news away from the SFOD bunch.
    There is always the possibility that a few would finally get the idea that this is all BUSINESS.
    I am not worrying about the self delusional fools like Murph and Howie.  It is others that might realize they sure as Hell have wasted not money, but VALUABLE TIME, on BULLSHIT.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 10:09 pm

     It is others that might realize they sure as Hell have wasted not money, but VALUABLE TIME, on BULLSHIT.


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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 10:10 pm

    I am not worrying about the self delusional fools like Murph and Howie.


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    But you've practically written a book about them on this board
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed May 10, 2017 10:12 pm

    Google...... Silver Chalice.


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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 5:54 am

    I GUESS YOU HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN HOW REINSDORF TRULY OPERATES.


    Better to BELIEVE, SPANK AND PRETEND THE SOX ARE ALL FOR REAL.


    REINSDORF WANTS TO WIN!!


    CHICAGO HISTORY HOLDS HIM BACK.


    His EGO is INVOLVED WITH THE WHITE SOX.


    ROTFLMFAO!!!
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 5:56 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:I am not worrying about the self delusional fools like Murph and Howie.


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    But you've practically written a book about them on this board
    You are the Lee Harvey Oswald of board destruction.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by alohafri on Thu May 11, 2017 7:03 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:I GUESS YOU HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN HOW REINSDORF TRULY OPERATES.


    Better to BELIEVE, SPANK AND PRETEND THE SOX ARE ALL FOR REAL.


    REINSDORF WANTS TO WIN!!


    CHICAGO HISTORY HOLDS HIM BACK.


    His EGO is INVOLVED WITH THE WHITE SOX.


    ROTFLMFAO!!!

    SPANK!!!!!
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 8:16 am

    Jerry Reinsdorf WANTS TO WIN for the Shooters Buffet FANBOYS!!


    Maybe he will come to a MEETING and pick up the tab??


    He needs to meet Murph to understand how important being a FANBOY truly is.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by alohafri on Thu May 11, 2017 8:48 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:Jerry Reinsdorf WANTS TO WIN for the Shooters Buffet FANBOYS!!


    Maybe he will come to a MEETING and pick up the tab??


    He needs to meet Murph to understand how important being a FANBOY truly is.

    I heard he is willing to trade Moncada for Matt Weiters!
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu May 11, 2017 9:07 am

    I GUESS YOU HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN HOW REINSDORF TRULY OPERATES.


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    BINGO!!!!!


    I just come here for the adrenaline rush fueled by the anger of the people who deliberately disagree with me.


    But go ahead and keep drinking in the White Sox parking lot and believing that not entering the stadium is somehow spiting Reinsdorf.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu May 11, 2017 9:08 am

    alohafri wrote:
    Jack Brickhouse wrote:Jerry Reinsdorf WANTS TO WIN for the Shooters Buffet FANBOYS!!


    Maybe he will come to a MEETING and pick up the tab??


    He needs to meet Murph to understand how important being a FANBOY truly is.

    I heard he is willing to trade Moncada for Matt Weiters!

    The Nationals would have to throw in Jayson Werth and give us back Matt Albers for this to make sense
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu May 11, 2017 9:10 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:I am not worrying about the self delusional fools like Murph and Howie.


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    But you've practically written a book about them on this board
    You are the Lee Harvey Oswald of board destruction.


    Then you must be the shooter hiding in the grass knoll


    At least, that is what Mart told me
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 9:41 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:I GUESS YOU HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN HOW REINSDORF TRULY OPERATES.


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    BINGO!!!!!


    I just come here for the adrenaline rush fueled by the anger of the people who deliberately disagree with me.


    But go ahead and keep drinking in the White Sox parking lot and believing that not entering the stadium is somehow spiting Reinsdorf.
    You truly are a simpleton.  Somehow anything I do is spiting a self made billionaire.


    OK.


    I happen to find it more entertaining to drink beer in the parking lot than it is to watch a for shit baseball product and make suggestions like Danks should be the closer and Beckham should play LF.  The Latina catfight was a lot more fun than some DeAza strikeout.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 9:44 am

    I guess you haven't noticed.  All kinds of people who DELIBERATELY DISAGREE with you have DELIBERATELY DISAPPEARED.


    They must have gotten BORED.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 9:58 am

    You have had your fun.  I guess people have moved on.  You give yourself far too much credit to think people just want to deliberately disagree with you.


    At the end of the day, we all have our own lives and concerns.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by rmapasad on Thu May 11, 2017 10:55 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:I GUESS YOU HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN HOW REINSDORF TRULY OPERATES.
    Better to BELIEVE, SPANK AND PRETEND THE SOX ARE ALL FOR REAL.
    REINSDORF WANTS TO WIN!!
    CHICAGO HISTORY HOLDS HIM BACK.
    His EGO is INVOLVED WITH THE WHITE SOX.
    ROTFLMFAO!!!


    Suspect other owners have a multitude of other interests besides their sports franchises.  A good owner picks the right professionals to run the team and lets them run it.  Reinsdorf hasn't been real good at either of those things.
    From a baseball perspective, I find the Sox interesting because of the decisions they make and why on earth they made them. They aren't incompetent or stupid but compared to their peers in the rest of the industry, they are behind the times and not very astute.  That certainly is a reflection of Reinsdorf still having his stamp very much on the White Sox.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu May 11, 2017 11:05 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:You have had your fun.  I guess people have moved on.  You give yourself far too much credit to think people just want to deliberately disagree with you.


    At the end of the day, we all have our own lives and concerns.


    The concerns in my life do not include how a handful of grown men over 60 decide what is the best way to worship at the Reinsdorf alter.


    Nor is Reinsdorf's bank account any of my concern.


    And if people left the board because of me, chances are they couldn't handle the taste of their own medicine.  But at least I try to apologize every now and then.


    So why don't you take a nice long look in the mirror before you talk down to me.
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu May 11, 2017 11:11 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:I guess you haven't noticed.  All kinds of people who DELIBERATELY DISAGREE with you have DELIBERATELY DISAPPEARED.


    They must have gotten BORED.


    Funny how they all decided this in November 9th
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    Re: What if John P is correct

    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Thu May 11, 2017 11:40 am

    No need to play coy.


    Politics and Religion tend to piss people off.


    What was once a fun page with all kinds of humor and various insults became a shit show.


    Everyone is to blame.  Don't play victim.

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