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    Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:20 pm

    Another WIN NOW Bust!!!
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    Post by Nomads44 on Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:16 pm

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Another WIN NOW Bust!!!

    Musta pulled an Eaton or Sale clubhouse act.  I thought he was saying how he was all recovered and ready for a fine year.  He could not even bring in a low level prospect?  Did the Sox just sign him, or was he on an extended contract already?
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:10 pm

    Nomads44 wrote:
    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Another WIN NOW Bust!!!

    Musta pulled an Eaton or Sale clubhouse act.  I thought he was saying how he was all recovered and ready for a fine year.  He could not even bring in a low level prospect?  Did the Sox just sign him, or was he on an extended contract already?



    In the same situation as Garcia.   Took a pay cut in arbitration this year to $ 3.1 million but now the Sox will only have to pay him $ 500 K of it.   But he's also a free agent to sign elsewhere.   If he doesn't find another job, he might file a Player's Union Grievance for the Sox agreeing to arbitration and then stiffing him by waiting until Spring Training to cut him, but the Sox have a defense by saying that Saladino/Sanchez and ultimately Moncada (who will surely be brought up this year) are his replacements.  

    Think his sitting out due to leg soreness this spring was partly responsible.  Missed the last two months of last year with ailments (hamstring, fluid on knee, sore quad) but when they ran MRI's on him, nothing showed up.   Now to be sitting out of Spring Training with alleged leg problems when as Renteria said "there was no indication that anything was wrong", he might have gotten the rep as a Jaker.

    Like Beckham, Lawrie's highlight was his rookie year and for past five years it's been declining performance and injuries.  But looked like Sox were giving him one last fling in a year they had nothing to lose..Moncada could possibly shift to 3b if Lawrie managed to revive his career.. But the leg stuff coupled with having other alternatives was probably the last straw.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:17 pm

    But the leg stuff coupled with having other alternatives was probably the last straw.


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    I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LEG STUFF


    RECALL SEEING ON BLEACHER REPORT THAT LAWRIE WAS STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH THE LEG.


    GUESS THE DECIDED BETTER TO CUT THAN PAY HIM ON THE DL


    BTW, DIDN'T SOMEBODY HERE POST HE WAS 33RD AMOUNG MLB 2B LAST YEAR?!?!?!?


    ANYWAY, TIME FOR THE EVERTH CABRERA ERA TO START.


    CAN HE STILL LEADOFF?!?!?!?  I DOUBT ANDERSON CAN, DESPITE BEING BLACK AND FAST


    WHITE SOX NEED TO STICK TO THEIR GUNS AND GIVE MONCADA AT LEAST A 1/2 YEAR IN AAA
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:46 am

    ANYWAY, TIME FOR THE EVERTH CABRERA ERA TO START.>>
    It will be a short one if it does start.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:37 am

    Typical Chicago morons on message boards wondering why he wasn't traded forgetting conveniently the last time he PLAYED!!!
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:33 am

    rmapasad wrote:ANYWAY, TIME FOR THE EVERTH CABRERA ERA TO START.>>
    It will be a short one if it does start.


    Just need to last until the All-Star break


    Hopefully by then Moncada will be ready for prime time


    And Cabrera will have played well enough to trade for a grade C power arm from AA
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:35 am

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Typical Chicago morons on message boards wondering why he wasn't traded forgetting conveniently the last time he PLAYED!!!


    One could say the last 6 weeks was moronic


    But than, we have all done stupid things for the ones we love.


    Nothing spells love like OUR White Sox
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:11 pm

    FROM BLEACHER REPORT


    • Parting with Brett Lawrie surely reflects a variety of factors for the White Sox, including his uninspiring performance, injury uncertainty, and rate of pay. But GM Rick Hahn (video via the Chicago Tribune) emphasized the importance the organization places on freeing playing opportunities for players who could have a longer future with the club. Hahn specifically mentioned Tyler SaladinoCarlos SanchezLeury Garcia, and Matt Davidson as players who he’d like to see have a chance at the majors. Of course, that was all known to the team when it agreed to terms with Lawrie to avoid arbitration; what wasn’t then clear, perhaps, was what would become of third baseman Todd Frazier, who remains with Chicago. Hahn notes, interestingly, that the team “can’t really control the pace or timing of these transactions,” saying that it had “envisioned various transactions” taking place that would have opened playing time both for Lawrie and the other names mentioned.




    LUERY GARIA HAS KICKED ASS THE FIRST WEEK OF SPRING


    MAYBE THIS IS THE GARCIA WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT A MONTH DISCUSSING.


    AVISAIL IS A PROVEN STIFF.  THE ONES ADVOCATING HIM OVER THE UNPROVEN STIFFS  ARE THE REAL ONES THAT THINK 69 WINS IS BETTER THAN 68.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:08 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:FROM BLEACHER REPORT


    • Parting with Brett Lawrie surely reflects a variety of factors for the White Sox, including his uninspiring performance, injury uncertainty, and rate of pay. But GM Rick Hahn (video via the Chicago Tribune) emphasized the importance the organization places on freeing playing opportunities for players who could have a longer future with the club. Hahn specifically mentioned Tyler SaladinoCarlos SanchezLeury Garcia, and Matt Davidson as players who he’d like to see have a chance at the majors. Of course, that was all known to the team when it agreed to terms with Lawrie to avoid arbitration; what wasn’t then clear, perhaps, was what would become of third baseman Todd Frazier, who remains with Chicago. Hahn notes, interestingly, that the team “can’t really control the pace or timing of these transactions,” saying that it had “envisioned various transactions” taking place that would have opened playing time both for Lawrie and the other names mentioned.




    LUERY GARIA HAS KICKED ASS THE FIRST WEEK OF SPRING


    MAYBE THIS IS THE GARCIA WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT A MONTH DISCUSSING.


    AVISAIL IS A PROVEN STIFF.  THE ONES ADVOCATING HIM OVER THE UNPROVEN STIFFS  ARE THE REAL ONES THAT THINK 69 WINS IS BETTER THAN 68.

    They are all proven stiffs in one way or another.  Don't know that any of these guys (including the 3 Garcias) have a very bright future.  The main things they have going for them are their ages and that the Sox having nothing to lose this year by giving them a chance to redeem their careers.  Which ones might actually do or not it is something you seem intent upon predicting, but I just want to wait to see what happens.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:52 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:FROM BLEACHER REPORT


    • Parting with Brett Lawrie surely reflects a variety of factors for the White Sox, including his uninspiring performance, injury uncertainty, and rate of pay. But GM Rick Hahn (video via the Chicago Tribune) emphasized the importance the organization places on freeing playing opportunities for players who could have a longer future with the club. Hahn specifically mentioned Tyler SaladinoCarlos SanchezLeury Garcia, and Matt Davidson as players who he’d like to see have a chance at the majors. Of course, that was all known to the team when it agreed to terms with Lawrie to avoid arbitration; what wasn’t then clear, perhaps, was what would become of third baseman Todd Frazier, who remains with Chicago. Hahn notes, interestingly, that the team “can’t really control the pace or timing of these transactions,” saying that it had “envisioned various transactions” taking place that would have opened playing time both for Lawrie and the other names mentioned.




    LUERY GARIA HAS KICKED ASS THE FIRST WEEK OF SPRING


    MAYBE THIS IS THE GARCIA WE SHOULD HAVE SPENT A MONTH DISCUSSING.


    AVISAIL IS A PROVEN STIFF.  THE ONES ADVOCATING HIM OVER THE UNPROVEN STIFFS  ARE THE REAL ONES THAT THINK 69 WINS IS BETTER THAN 68.

    They are all proven stiffs in one way or another.  Don't know that any of these guys (including the 3 Garcias) have a very bright future.  The main things they have going for them are their ages and that the Sox having nothing to lose this year by giving them a chance to redeem their careers.  Which ones might actually do or not it is something you seem intent upon predicting, but I just want to wait to see what happens.


    Avisail never should have been tendered.  Foolish to pay this clown over $3mil.


    and who cares that he has the least suckiest of projected 2017 OPS.


    Save the cash, and play for draft picks with guys the projections say are worse.


    And yes, that I why I am intent on predicting.  You claim nothing to lose.  Well you lose the opportunity.


    Now most likely, in the grand scheme, Cody Asche or Nick Delmonico are no better than Garcia.  But I take these two over Garcia because A) Fresh Face B) More versitaile C) better than Garcia defensively D) cheaper, E) lefthanded.


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    That said, injuries and recovering from injuries (Frazier, Tilson, Liriano) will probably save Avisail's useless ass


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    The only thing I am waiting on what happens is what blue chip outfielder Jose Quintana gets traded for.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:02 pm

    Another thing, I see playing a well know stiff like Garcia and pretending this is what rebuilders do the same way I see overpaying a 500 player to fill a hole and pretending you are now a contender.


    That said, pretending to contend is quite fun.  Untill the losses start mounting up.  And if you were dumb enough to buy a season ticket package.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:37 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:
    Avisail never should have been tendered.  Foolish to pay this clown over $3mil.
    and who cares that he has the least suckiest of projected 2017 OPS.
    Save the cash, and play for draft picks with guys the projections say are worse.
    And yes, that I why I am intent on predicting.  You claim nothing to lose.  Well you lose the opportunity.
    Now most likely, in the grand scheme, Cody Asche or Nick Delmonico are no better than Garcia.  But I take these two over Garcia because A) Fresh Face B) More versitaile C) better than Garcia defensively D) cheaper, E) lefthanded.
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    That said, injuries and recovering from injuries (Frazier, Tilson, Liriano) will probably save Avisail's useless ass
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    The only thing I am waiting on what happens is what blue chip outfielder Jose Quintana gets traded for.

    Actually less reason to cut Lawrie than Avi Garcia.  Same age, same salary but Lawrie has defensive value, put up 720+ OPS at 2b last year.  His injuries and not getting back on the field quickly last year and this spring probably pissed off the Sox brass.  So again, rubbing Mgmt. the wrong way may be more important than the performance.  Somebody still likes Avi Garcia, and I suspect that somebody's last name starts with a "W"
    That said, Asche doesn't hold any defensive edge over Garcia, is a year older and even though he's LHed he doesn't hit righties very well.  Is "fresh face" any reason to keep Asche ? C'mon.  Any face that's hitting .213 (like Asche did last year) will get stale real quick. Delmonico is better defensively but they've been working him at 3b in Spring so far with Frazier out so not sure what the plan is for him.  Tilson is still nursing injuries and who knows about Liriano.  Meanwhile Davidson is hitting .167 and has struck out 45% of his AB's so far in Spring Training.
    None of these guys are good bets. Trying to predict which of these lame horses will still be running in 2019 is futile, IMO.. Garcia costs a couple million $$ more than the rest which means the pressure is on him to prove something and real soon.   So far in ST, nothing seems to change. No HR's, no BB's, too many K's. Guys have made something of themselves with same bad K/BB, disappointing power, bad defense at age 24-25 as Garcia like Jose Guillen, JD Martinez, Geromino Berroa, and Chris Davis. But those guys began to hit for power at age 26-27. Garcia's build indicates power could come, but the clock is ticking.  He should hit at least 2-3 HR's in Spring Training and draw half dozen walks to show some sign that things might change.  If not, the Sox may be justified in cutting his ass before Opening Day.  Only problem is if his would-be competitors like Liriano, Asche, and Davidson keep hitting below .250 in ST, then Avi comes north in April by default.  Oh well, this is the kind of year it will be.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:36 pm

    Trying to predict which of these lame horses will still be running in 2019 is futile, IMO


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    Tilson and Liriano


    BTW, you seem obsessed that this group needs to be around when the product is finished.


    With the possible exception of Liriano, none of these guys will be here in 2020


    And yes, a fresh face is a reason 
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:59 pm

    Actually less reason to cut Lawrie than Avi Garcia.  Same age, same salary but Lawrie has defensive value, put up 720+ OPS at 2b last year.  His injuries and not getting back on the field quickly last year and this spring probably pissed off the Sox brass.  So again, rubbing Mgmt. the wrong way may be more important than the performance.  Somebody still likes Avi Garcia, and I suspect that somebody's last name starts with a "W"


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    Being the subject of the Peavy trade helps as well.


    And yes, releasing Lawrie is puzzling when you consider Frazier is also hurt and that you want to keep Moncada down until his free agent year comes after the 2023 season


    One has to figure that Lawrie is hurt or added a Drake LaRouche tattoo to his collection.


    Or maybe they were fooled by Sanchez changing his name and are just dying to see what this new kid Yolmer can do.


    Or maybe Williams just found out Cabera was a former All-Star and base stealing champ.  Might explain all the 3B Moncada hasbeen playing
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:28 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Trying to predict which of these lame horses will still be running in 2019 is futile, IMO
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    Tilson and Liriano
    BTW, you seem obsessed that this group needs to be around when the product is finished.
    With the possible exception of Liriano, none of these guys will be here in 2020
    And yes, a fresh face is a reason 
    Sox don't have stud OF/DH prospects so they need at least one of these sketchier guys to survive 2017-2018 and turn into a decent regular by 2019-2020. Tilson might be OK in centerfield where speed and defense can make up for lack of power.  But his ability to stay healthy and hit at least in 270's/280's is a big question. 
    Not sure why so optimistic about Liriano.  He's got speed and can field, but as a RFer he has to hit.  Hasn't shown much power, and his Bat Avg. has been a real see-saw in the minors.  Sox have only given him limited in ST so far and he's not doing much with it. Not sure how solidly he's in their plans.

    Davidson's lousy start in Spring Training isn't good.  Had two crap years in AAA ('14-'15)  and a mere two decent months in AAA to get back on the radar again.  He's out of options but probably could pass through waivers and be sent to Charlotte again. I think he needs to show he can tear up AAA before he deserves another shot at the majors.

    Danny Hayes looks semi-interesting.  LHed hitting 1bman.  Great BB rate in the minors, but doesn't have enough power to be a real solid prospect.  Off to a good start in ST (7 RBI's in 14 ab's, 1080 OPS). He can be sent down to Charlotte.

    According to Hahn's comments Leury Garcia hasn't worn out his welcome yet despite some terrible major league numbers.   Hit .313 in AAA last year but his SB totals were way down.  He seems to profile similarly to Tilson and is his CF competition also.

    A real collection of question marks. So let's see who steps up and seizes the opportunity. 
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    Post by rmapasad on Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:01 pm

    And yes, releasing Lawrie is puzzling when you consider Frazier is also hurt and that you want to keep Moncada down until his free agent year comes after the 2023 season
    One has to figure that Lawrie is hurt or added a Drake LaRouche tattoo to his collection.
    Or maybe they were fooled by Sanchez changing his name and are just dying to see what this new kid Yolmer can do.
    Or maybe Williams just found out Cabera was a former All-Star and base stealing champ.  Might explain all the 3B Moncada hasbeen playing

    Yeah, Lawrie's been a survivor at 2b.  FG has him ranked as 22nd among all 2bmen from 2012-2016.   Has averaged a 715 OPS - average defense.  But injury prone and that did him in for the Sox. Saladino can take over 2b and do better glovework but still doubt his bat will hold up. Yeah, 2b belongs to Moncada eventually but it might have had made more sense to switch Moncada to 3b and keep at least a semi-decent guy like Lawrie at 2b.  Since the Sox really don't have much at 3b - Davidson looks like a bust, Delmonico is sketchy defensively there and may not have the power for 3b anyway. 
    Discarding any 25-27 year old that may have any possibility of being a decent regular in 2019-2020 is not a good idea right now, IMO.   Saving the $ 2 mil plus the attitude issue is probably what got Lawrie ousted.  Might be short-sighted though.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:27 pm

    Sox don't have stud OF/DH prospects so they need at least one of these sketchier guys to survive 2017-2018 and turn into a decent regular by 2019-2020.


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    100% WRONG!!!!!!!


    THE WHITE SOX CAN MAKE A TRADE


    THE WHITE SOX CAN DRAFT SOMEBODY


    THE WHITE SOX CAN SIGN A FREE AGENT.


    I BET THAT AT LEAST HALF OF THE WHITE SOX 2020 WORLD SERIES TEAM IS NOT IN THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW


    YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THEY SHOULD BE.


    AND YES, DISCARDING THE DEADEST OF THE DEAD WEIGHT, REGARDLESS OF AGE MAKES SENSE.  THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY ROSTER SPOTS.


    PS, BASABE AND FISCHER LOOK DAMN GOOD FROM WHERE THE KARK IS SITTING
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by alohafri on Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:41 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Sox don't have stud OF/DH prospects so they need at least one of these sketchier guys to survive 2017-2018 and turn into a decent regular by 2019-2020.


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    100% WRONG!!!!!!!


    THE WHITE SOX CAN MAKE A TRADE


    THE WHITE SOX CAN DRAFT SOMEBODY


    THE WHITE SOX CAN SIGN A FREE AGENT.


    What's wrong with both?
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:58 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Sox don't have stud OF/DH prospects so they need at least one of these sketchier guys to survive 2017-2018 and turn into a decent regular by 2019-2020.

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    100% WRONG!!!!!!!

    THE WHITE SOX CAN MAKE A TRADE

    THE WHITE SOX CAN DRAFT SOMEBODY

    THE WHITE SOX CAN SIGN A FREE AGENT.

    I BET THAT AT LEAST HALF OF THE WHITE SOX 2020 WORLD SERIES TEAM IS NOT IN THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW

    YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THEY SHOULD BE.

    AND YES, DISCARDING THE DEADEST OF THE DEAD WEIGHT, REGARDLESS OF AGE MAKES SENSE.  THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY ROSTER SPOTS.

    PS, BASABE AND FISCHER LOOK DAMN GOOD FROM WHERE THE KARK IS SITTING

    THE WHITE SOX CAN MAKE A TRADE  >>
    [size=16]They need to get on with the Quintana trade ASAP as that is their best hope for filling one OF spot. Frazier might command someone decent although probably not a whole lot better than Tilson.  That depends on how healthy Frazier is this year too.[/size]

    THE WHITE SOX CAN DRAFT SOMEBODY>>
    [size=16][size=13][size=16]Not many guys become impact major leaguers only 3 years after they're drafted and the ones who do (Bryant, Harper, Machado, Benentendi, Rendon) are usually in the top 10, or even top 5 picks.  Sox will have 13th pick in 2017 draft.  Yes, the Sox got Anderson as the 17th pick in 2013, so it's possible.   But they had the 13th pick in 2012 and drafted Hawkins, passing up Corey Seager, Tyler Naquin and Steve Piscotty in the process.  They also passed up Trea Turner and Kyle Schwarber in the 2104 draftNot real confident that the White Sox scouting system will snag a 2017 draftee with the 13th pick who'll make an impact in 2020.[/size][/size][/size]


    THE WHITE SOX CAN SIGN A FREE AGENT.>>
    [size=16]Because that has worked out so well for the Sox (Dunn, LaRoche, Cabrera).  Free agents are usually guys in their 30's who get paid big $$ for their past accomplishments and usually end up stiffing their new teams because they decline almost right after the ink is dry on their deals.  Sox have gotten  burned because they don't want to pony up for the really big guns like Cespedes and end up with middle tier guys who have done nothing.  We'll see how much money Reinsdorf is willing to shell out when the time comes.[/size]

    PS, BASABE AND FISCHER LOOK DAMN GOOD FROM WHERE THE KARK IS SITTING>>
    Basabe is 20 and hit .258 in low-A last year.   When Rymer Liriano was 20 he hit .319 in low A.   So a lot can happen between low A and the majors.  Basabe has talent but some scouts are very skeptical about his ability to hit.  He hasn't proved much to get excited about right now and the on a list of Sox prospects I saw had his grade (40) the same as Tilson, Engel and May.   Fischer had the same score although scouts like his bat better.  Tore up the rookie league last year but he was pretty old for that level, so this year will be a better test.






    Here's what it comes down to:  1b, 3b, DH, LF, CF, RF are all up in the air for the Sox's 2020 team.  That's 6 spots. Hopefully the Quintana trade fills one of them.   Would not count on any 2017 or 2018 draftees at this point.  If Sox get two-good free agents, that's about all that can be expected.    So that leaves, no less than TWO and maybe even THREE spots that may have to be filled by guys in the org RIGHT NOW.  It could come from the Tilson-Liriano-Garcia-Delmonico- Hayes contingent  or possibly the Davidson-Engel-Basabe- Fishcher-May crowd but that's why 2017 is meaningful.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Nomads44 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:25 pm

    rmapasad wrote:Fischer had the same score although scouts like his bat better.  Tore up the rookie league last year but he was pretty old for that level, so this year will be a better test.






    Here's what it comes down to:  1b, 3b, DH, LF, CF, RF are all up in the air for the Sox's 2020 team.  That's 6 spots. Hopefully the Quintana trade fills one of them.   Would not count on any 2017 or 2018 draftees at this point.  If Sox get two-good free agents, that's about all that can be expected.    So that leaves, no less than TWO and maybe even THREE spots that may have to be filled by guys in the org RIGHT NOW.  It could come from the Tilson-Liriano-Garcia-Delmonico- Hayes contingent  or possibly the Davidson-Engel-Basabe- Fishcher-May crowd but that's why 2017 is meaningful.


    There's another name I have not seen mentioned that played with Jameson Fisher at Great Falls.  Aaron Schnurbusch was way down there with a 28th round tag, but outperformed Fisher, who even Kark is really high on.


    Jameson Fisher, Great Falls (50 games): After being selected in the fourth round, Fisher cruised to a cool .342 average with the Rookie-level Voyagers. The 22-year-old flashed the leather as well, making just two errors in the campaign.
    "Being an early-round pick, obviously, we had great expectations. I think he showed us why he was an early-round pick," Capra said. "He is a very athletic outfielder, showed some potential as well so we're excited to have him."

    Aaron Schnurbusch, Great Falls (66 games): Schnurbusch proved sometimes Draft status means nothing once you get on the field. After being selected in the 28th round, he topped the system with a .357 average while besting the Pioneer League with his .471 on-base percentage.
    "He's a very athletic, strong baseball player that knows how to play the game. He plays the game the right way," Capra said. "He plays hard all the time and we were lucky to get him where we did."
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Cream1953 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:36 pm

    Glad to see Lawrie go. Fuck him. He can take his sorry ass and werewolf mouthpiece on down the road. He sucked.
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    Re: Lawrie Released!!

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:43 pm

    Here's what it comes down to:  1b, 3b, DH, LF, CF, RF are all up in the air for the Sox's 2020 team.


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    I sure the 29 other MLB teams are in the same boat
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:54 pm

    So that leaves, no less than TWO and maybe even THREE spots that may have to be filled by guys in the org RIGHT NOW.  It could come from the Tilson-Liriano-Garcia-Delmonico- Hayes contingent  or possibly the Davidson-Engel-Basabe- Fishcher-May crowd but that's why 2017 is meaningful.


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    Unless we're talking Wieters, then 2017 is a who gives a rats ass year.


    Boy do I wish I could just jump ahead 3 1/2 years to see how many of these stiffs are even still in baeball, let alone outperforming Matt Wieters
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:07 pm

    Nomads44 wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:Fischer had the same score although scouts like his bat better.  Tore up the rookie league last year but he was pretty old for that level, so this year will be a better test.






    Here's what it comes down to:  1b, 3b, DH, LF, CF, RF are all up in the air for the Sox's 2020 team.  That's 6 spots. Hopefully the Quintana trade fills one of them.   Would not count on any 2017 or 2018 draftees at this point.  If Sox get two-good free agents, that's about all that can be expected.    So that leaves, no less than TWO and maybe even THREE spots that may have to be filled by guys in the org RIGHT NOW.  It could come from the Tilson-Liriano-Garcia-Delmonico- Hayes contingent  or possibly the Davidson-Engel-Basabe- Fishcher-May crowd but that's why 2017 is meaningful.


    There's another name I have not seen mentioned that played with Jameson Fisher at Great Falls.  Aaron Schnurbusch was way down there with a 28th round tag, but outperformed Fisher, who even Kark is really high on.


    Jameson Fisher, Great Falls (50 games): After being selected in the fourth round, Fisher cruised to a cool .342 average with the Rookie-level Voyagers. The 22-year-old flashed the leather as well, making just two errors in the campaign.
    "Being an early-round pick, obviously, we had great expectations. I think he showed us why he was an early-round pick," Capra said. "He is a very athletic outfielder, showed some potential as well so we're excited to have him."

    Aaron Schnurbusch, Great Falls (66 games): Schnurbusch proved sometimes Draft status means nothing once you get on the field. After being selected in the 28th round, he topped the system with a .357 average while besting the Pioneer League with his .471 on-base percentage.
    "He's a very athletic, strong baseball player that knows how to play the game. He plays the game the right way," Capra said. "He plays hard all the time and we were lucky to get him where we did."


    DAMN,I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW OLD THESE TWO WERE.

    22 YEAR OLDS IN THE ROOKIE LEAGUE

    ON THE BRIGHTSIDE, A 22 YEAR OLD SHOULD KICK ASS IN THE ROOKIE LEAGUE WHICH THEY DID

    HOPEFULLY THESE JUMP CAN START THE YEAR IN HIGH A BALL.

    IF IT TAKES A YEAR A LEVEL, YOUR TALKING 26 YEAR OLD ROOKIES IN 2020.

    THAT'S OLD FOR A ROOKIE.  AND THE OLDER THE ROOKIE, THE LOWER THE CEILING

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    I SEE SCHNURBUSCH HAD 6 TRIPLES IN ABOUT 1/2 A YEAR.  ALSO STOLE 19 BASES.  HOW FAST IS THIS KID?!?!?!?

    IMPRESSIVE WALK RATE AS WELL

    FUNNY HOW FISCHER IS RANKED 15 IN THE WHITE SOX FARM, BUT SCHNURBUSCH IS NOT LISTED

    MOST BE THE FUNNY NAME

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