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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:44 am

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:And De Aza kicked ass his first full year!!!!!

    Unfortunately he regressed

    30 can be a real bitch

    Just imagine how 31 can be for a catcher.  affraid


    At least slightly better than 34
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:46 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:And De Aza kicked ass his first full year!!!!!

    Unfortunately he regressed

    30 can be a real bitch

    Just imagine how 31 can be for a catcher.  affraid


    At least slightly better than 34

    At least no one is taking the "Bring back AJ" side.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:11 am

    rmapasad wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:PS, Garcia need to be cut by the mid March deadline

    Just like they did with the tank


    Tank was cut in 2015 in the Sox's win-now move of replacing him in LF after Cabrera was acquired.

    We really need to fact check everything you post don't we.

    Viciedo WAS NOT let go because of WIN NOW.  He was let because he regressed every year, was lazy, and out right sucked.  According to Baseball Reference, he has not had a MLB at bat since being cut by the White Sox.  So for you to suggest that he was a victim of WIN NOW is just another example of how you distort and misinform.

    The truth is, Viciedo was a prime target to be non tendered that winter.  A move every White Sox fan would have been in agreement with regardless of what direction the team would have taken in 2015.

    But thanx for your revisionist history


     Once more, you are acting as though the Sox should approach this with the same mindset as a win-now team.

    WRONG, once more you distort my intention.  As you said in another post, my logic baffles you.

      As long as Sox aren't playing Garcia in RF, keeping him on as DH is fine.

    WRONG, rebuilding is not an excuse to play crap.  Even if the crap is young.  You are just demonstrating your lack of understanding of the current White Sox roster

      Doubt that he will ever "turn the corner"  but it's not impossible.   Remember a guy named Jose Guillen who stunk it up as a 24-26 year old then suddenly turned it on at age 27 (928 OPS) and went on to have 3-4 more good years after that.

    ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PISS POOR COMPARISONS!!!!  Guillen made much better contact, showed the ability to hit 300 with power in the minors.  Garcia was more of a strike out machine

      Not saying that will be Garcia but stranger things have happened and it would be silly to let another team be the beneficiary if he does turn it around. Especially since the Sox have no reason to cut him as 1- no one else better to plug in and 2- even if Garcia sucks again, Sox weren't going anywhere anyway.


    ASSUMING CABRERA AND TILSON ARE 2/3 OF THE OUTFIELD


    RYMER LIRIANO, MATT DAVIDSON, ADAM ENGEL AND JACOB MAY ARE MORE DESERVING AS FAR AS PROSPECTS GO


    AS FOR AS THE QUAD A CROWD THAT IS STILL UNDER 30: WILY GARCIA AND CODY ASCHE, 


    YOU NEED TO LEARN THAT REBUILDING IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR WILD GAMBLES.  ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN FAILING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES THE PAST 3 YEARS.  YOU ALSO NEED TO LEARN WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WHITE SOX CAMP INSTEAD OF DELIBERATLY DISAGREEING WITH THE KARK.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:12 am

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:And De Aza kicked ass his first full year!!!!!

    Unfortunately he regressed

    30 can be a real bitch

    Just imagine how 31 can be for a catcher.  affraid


    At least slightly better than 34

    At least no one is taking the "Bring back AJ" side.


    WOULD CM PUNK ALLOW HER TO STEP FOOT IN THE G-SPOT?!?!?!?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:33 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:



    YOU NEED TO LEARN THAT REBUILDING IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR WILD GAMBLES.  ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN FAILING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES THE PAST 3 YEARS.  

    There hasn't been a plan for the past three years. The plan has been "let's throw some shit against the wall and see what sticks." 


    There is now a plan. The plan is REBUILD. And yes, when you tear something down to rebuild it, you are going to see shit for a little while. 


    To put it in other terms, the White Sox for the past few years have been trying to paint the dilapidated 100 year house. They have realized that isn't making the house any safer or livable. So now, they are tearing down the house and starting from the foundation. You will have to look at the rubble for a while before you can see the finished new house. Your neighbors might not like looking at that pile of rubble or the construction zone that is next door, but they will be happy when the new house has been completed and becomes the nicest house in the neighborhood.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:23 pm



    Tank was cut in 2015 in the Sox's win-now move of replacing him in LF after Cabrera was acquired.

    We really need to fact check everything you post don't we.

    Viciedo WAS NOT let go because of WIN NOW.  He was let because he regressed every year, was lazy, and out right sucked.  According to Baseball Reference, he has not had a MLB at bat since being cut by the White Sox.  So for you to suggest that he was a victim of WIN NOW is just another example of how you distort and misinform.
    The truth is, Viciedo was a prime target to be non tendered that winter.  A move every White Sox fan would have been in agreement with regardless of what direction the team would have taken in 2015.
    But thanx for your revisionist history


    Another baseless accusation by you.  The facts are exactly as I stated them.  Viciedo wasn't non-tendered. He and the Sox agreed to a $ 4.4 mil deal in early Dec. to avoid arb, but that salary wasn't fully guaranteed.  Cabrera was then signed about 10 days later in mid Dec.  Tank was cut in February 2015 which allowed the Sox to pay only $ 800 K of his salary. 

    You have no factual basis for the claim that the Sox would have cut Viciedo regardless of their strategy.  Obviously the Sox felt Tank wasn't starter worthy on a team that was trying to win.  He was let go after the Sox secured guys which made him expendable (Cabrera in LF, LaRoche at DH).  Had the Sox decided against win-now for 2015 they wouldn't have gotten Cabrera and Viciedo was still under contract.  So it's entirely possible that they would have had one more go with Tank just as these same front office people are having one more go with Garcia in 2017.










    WRONG, rebuilding is not an excuse to play crap.  Even if the crap is young.  You are just demonstrating your lack of understanding of the current White Sox roster

    Veterans can turn to "crap" too. Look what happened to LaRoche. Wieters is no sure thing which is why contenders haven't been lining up to get him. Rebuilding teams don't need to take the LaRoche risk by signing vets.  They take the "bust" risk on younger players.  Why is that so difficult to get ?



    ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PISS POOR COMPARISONS!!!!  Guillen made much better contact, showed the ability to hit 300 with power in the minors.  Garcia was more of a strike out machine

     Garcia hit .300's in the minors.  Hit .312 in AA and .367 in AAA.  They both were rushed too fast to the majors when they lacked discipline.


    ASSUMING CABRERA AND TILSON ARE 2/3 OF THE OUTFIELD


    RYMER LIRIANO, MATT DAVIDSON, ADAM ENGEL AND JACOB MAY ARE MORE DESERVING AS FAR AS PROSPECTS GO


    AS FOR AS THE QUAD A CROWD THAT IS STILL UNDER 30: WILY GARCIA AND CODY ASCHE, 


    YOU NEED TO LEARN THAT REBUILDING IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR WILD GAMBLES.  ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN FAILING RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES THE PAST 3 YEARS.  YOU ALSO NEED TO LEARN WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WHITE SOX CAMP INSTEAD OF DELIBERATLY DISAGREEING WITH THE KARK.

    Rebuilding is a time to see what younger players can do.  It is not a time to play footsie with vets who have NO FUTURE.   You are worried about the cosmetics of a team that will lose 90+ games.  They won't be pretty, period with or without guys like Wieters.  Plus there is no guarantee that Wieters will make them one iota prettier.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:38 pm

    Rebuilding is a time to see what younger players can do. 


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    WE'VE ALL SEEN GARCIA DO NOTHING FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS


    WHERE'S THAT LAWYER TO CHASTIZE YOU FOR DELIBERATELY IGNORING THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF ME REFUTING YOUR UTTER NONSENSE ABOUT VICIEDO AND GARCIA?!?!?!?!?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:12 pm

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Rebuilding is a time to see what younger players can do. 


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    WE'VE ALL SEEN GARCIA DO NOTHING FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS


    WHERE'S THAT LAWYER TO CHASTIZE YOU FOR DELIBERATELY IGNORING THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF ME REFUTING YOUR UTTER NONSENSE ABOUT VICIEDO AND GARCIA?!?!?!?!?

    Garcia is under contract. You are talking about signing new guys. Big difference. The best they will be able to do with Garcia is release him. Who would want him?


    What did the Sox get for Tank anyway? A Subway sandwich?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:24 pm

    WE'VE ALL SEEN GARCIA DO NOTHING FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS>>

    Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? He has survived major league pitching to some level (692 OPS which is lousy, but better than some of his would-be competitors).  He probably won't pull an age 26 turnaround it's always possible as he's shown some flashes from time to time. Above all, there is NO HARM in seeing whether he can.  If not, it's not like it will damage the Sox's pennant hopes for 2017.
    Liriano should be in RF instead of Garcia but that's only because of defense.  Right now, FG has Garcia's OPS projected at 734 and Liriano (same age as Garcia) at 694.   If Liriano has a miserable spring or start of the season, he might get sent to AAA to work on his game. 
    Davidson could displace Garcia at DH.  But that would require Davidson to have his own age 26 turnaround.  He's spent 2 full years in AAA stinking it up with sub-700 OPS.  His "breakout" was only over two months last year at AAA (May/June) and wasn't all that wowing (low 800's OPS's). Then he broke his foot. Let's see at least what Davidson does in spring training before jumping on his bandwagon.
    Garcia is one of a crowd of 25-27 year olds who are trying to show they belong: Liriano, Tilson, Davidson, Asche, Narvaez, Willy Garcia, Sanchez, Saladino.  All of these guys have shortcomings and  none of them would be considered as starter material on any team bent on contending.   But on the 2017 Sox, they all have a chance.
    There is no need for you, I or the Sox to play a guessing game as to who makes it and who likely won't.  Give these guys a chance and see who makes the most of it and who doesn't.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by rmapasad on Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:50 pm

    alohafri wrote:


    There hasn't been a plan for the past three years. The plan has been "let's throw some shit against the wall and see what sticks." 


    The "plan" in 2015-2016 was to try to contend with three studs (Sale, Eaton, Quintana), hope that Abreu would return to his 2014 form (hasn't) and then try to patch up the team with guys who were past their prime years.  Sox also mortgaged a bit of their future by trading Semien, Phegley, Montas, Thompson, Johnson and Tatis away for guys that either aren't with the Sox anymore or won't be after 2018. 
    When you look at all the veteran acquisitions  - Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson, LaRoche, Latos, Shields, Jackson, Gonzalez, Rollins, Navarro only one of them (Gonzalez) performed up to expectations and Gonzalez was a waiver-wire pickup for next to nothing. 
    Yeah, the 2017 Sox will be trying out many never-will-bes but why is that any worse than the parade of has-beens and never-wases that fans have witnessed for years now ?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by sox55 on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:41 pm

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:And De Aza kicked ass his first full year!!!!!

    Unfortunately he regressed

    30 can be a real bitch

    Just imagine how 31 can be for a catcher.  affraid


    At least slightly better than 34

    At least no one is taking the "Bring back AJ" side.

    Have u asked Murph?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:21 pm

    sox55 wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:And De Aza kicked ass his first full year!!!!!

    Unfortunately he regressed

    30 can be a real bitch

    Just imagine how 31 can be for a catcher.  affraid


    At least slightly better than 34

    At least no one is taking the "Bring back AJ" side.

    Have u asked Murph?

    Murph scares me. LOL
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:00 am

    Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:03 am

    Yeah, the 2017 Sox will be trying out many never-will-bes but why is that any worse than the parade of has-beens and never-wases that fans have witnessed for years now ?


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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:05 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK

    No one is "defending" Avisail Garcia. We are just saying that he is on the team at the moment. Releasing him gets the Sox nothing, and I believe we still have to pay him. He can be offered up as trade bait, but the fish likely won't be biting. 
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:11 am

    Garcia is one of a crowd of 25-27 year olds who are trying to show they belong: Liriano, Tilson, Davidson, Asche, Narvaez, Willy Garcia, Sanchez, Saladino.  All of these guys have shortcomings and  none of them would be considered as starter material on any team bent on contending.


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    TILSON IS 24!!!!!!!!


    GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!


    WTF IS TILSON SHORTCOMING?!?!?!?!?!?


    OTHER THAN A FLUKE INJURY AND THE KARK LIKES HIM.


    YOU OUTRIGHT LIE BY INCLUDING HIM IN YOUR LIST OF FAILURES.  


    AND YOU CLAIM HE WOULD NOT STARTER ON A CONTENDER IS WITHOUT BASIS.  CONTENDING TEAMS DO START ROOKIES.


    IF THE KARK WERE RIPPING THIS KID, YOU'D POINT OUT HE HAS ABOVE AVERAGE SPEED AND DEFENSE AND COULD MATURE INTO A DECENT #1 OR #2 
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:15 am

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK

    No one is "defending" Avisail Garcia. We are just saying that he is on the team at the moment. Releasing him gets the Sox nothing, and I believe we still have to pay him. He can be offered up as trade bait, but the fish likely won't be biting. 


    RELEASE HIM B4 3/15 AND YOU ONLY PAY HIM ABOUT A 1/6TH

    THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO VICIEDO

    BUT WHY LOOK IT UP WHEN ITS EASIER TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK.

    GEE, I WOULD THINK A SEASON TICKET HOLDER WOULD HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF GARCIA IN A WHITE SOX UNIFORM
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:24 am

    Give these guys a chance and see who makes the most of it and who doesn't.


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    TRANSLATION


    ROGER DOESN'T HAVE A FREAKING CLUE


    HEY, THE CUBS LUCKED INTO RIZZO


    WRONG, HE WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE CORRECT CALL


    THERE IS A DIFFERENCE


    THE KARK GETS IT


    THE 2 ROB JR'S DON'T.  I SHOULD I SAY WON'T.


    IF ONLY THESE TWO PUT HAS MUCH THOUGHT INTO WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON; INSTEAD OF DELIBERATELY DISAGREEING WITH THE KARK, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WASTED 3 WEEKS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE WHITE SOX COULD FIND A BETTER CATCHER THAN GEO SOTO.  OR A BETTER OUTFIELD OPTION THAN AVISAIL GARCIA.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:28 am

    AND LETS BELIEVE EVERYTHING OUT OF FANGRAPH'S!!!!!!!


    ESPECIALLY THEIR BULLSHIT PROJECTIONS


    UNLESS OF COURSE THEY SUPPORT THE KARK LIKE THE 2017 WHITE SOX WINNING 76 GAMES.  THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ALL REMEMBER HOW IFFY THESE PROJECTIONS ARE.


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    FANGRAPHS HAS TIME ANDERSON BATTING 249 WITH JUST 23 DOUBLES.


    THE KARK SAYS HE BLOWS BOTH FIGURES OUT OF THE WATER.


    MY GUESS IS THAT FANGRAPHS FORGOT TO MULTIPLY A FEW NUMBERS BY 1.8
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:44 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK

    No one is "defending" Avisail Garcia. We are just saying that he is on the team at the moment. Releasing him gets the Sox nothing, and I believe we still have to pay him. He can be offered up as trade bait, but the fish likely won't be biting. 


    RELEASE HIM B4 3/15 AND YOU ONLY PAY HIM ABOUT A 1/6TH

    THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO VICIEDO

    BUT WHY LOOK IT UP WHEN ITS EASIER TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK.

    GEE, I WOULD THINK A SEASON TICKET HOLDER WOULD HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF GARCIA IN A WHITE SOX UNIFORM

    I can put up with another year of Garcia because I see an actual plan and want to see that plan develop. I don't want "the kids" to be brought up before they are ready. 


    It gives me someone I can boo.
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:46 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Garcia is one of a crowd of 25-27 year olds who are trying to show they belong: Liriano, Tilson, Davidson, Asche, Narvaez, Willy Garcia, Sanchez, Saladino.  All of these guys have shortcomings and  none of them would be considered as starter material on any team bent on contending.


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    TILSON IS 24!!!!!!!!


    GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!


    WTF IS TILSON SHORTCOMING?!?!?!?!?!?


    OTHER THAN A FLUKE INJURY AND THE KARK LIKES HIM.


    YOU OUTRIGHT LIE BY INCLUDING HIM IN YOUR LIST OF FAILURES.  


    AND YOU CLAIM HE WOULD NOT STARTER ON A CONTENDER IS WITHOUT BASIS.  CONTENDING TEAMS DO START ROOKIES.


    IF THE KARK WERE RIPPING THIS KID, YOU'D POINT OUT HE HAS ABOVE AVERAGE SPEED AND DEFENSE AND COULD MATURE INTO A DECENT #1 OR #2 

    I like Tilson too. He is one of "the kids" who is ready to show that he can stick around, or if he is an Alejandro DeAza Quad A player.
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    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:21 am

    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK

    No one is "defending" Avisail Garcia. We are just saying that he is on the team at the moment. Releasing him gets the Sox nothing, and I believe we still have to pay him. He can be offered up as trade bait, but the fish likely won't be biting. 


    RELEASE HIM B4 3/15 AND YOU ONLY PAY HIM ABOUT A 1/6TH

    THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO VICIEDO

    BUT WHY LOOK IT UP WHEN ITS EASIER TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK.

    GEE, I WOULD THINK A SEASON TICKET HOLDER WOULD HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF GARCIA IN A WHITE SOX UNIFORM

    I can put up with another year of Garcia because I see an actual plan and want to see that plan develop. I don't want "the kids" to be brought up before they are ready. 


    It gives me someone I can boo.



    MORE FALSE CHOICES AS YOU INSIST ON DELIBERATELY DISAGREEING WITH ME


    ENJOY CRYING ON ROGER'S SHOULDER WHEN THIS CLOWN IS CUT IN 26 DAYS


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    BTW, WHAT IS THE PLAN


    PLAY SHIT UNTIL SOMEBODY OVER PAYS FOR QUINTANA AND ROBERTSON?!?!?!!??


    WHAT'S PLAN B?!?!?!?!


    DRAFT MORE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHEN NOBODY OVERPAYS FOR OUR VETERANS IN THEIR FREE AGENCY YEAR?!?!?


    EVER CONSIDER THE REAL PLAN MAY HAVE BEEN TO PURGE THE TEAM OF THE DRAKE LAROUCHE FACTION OF NAMBLA?
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by rmapasad on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:55 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:Garcia is one of a crowd of 25-27 year olds who are trying to show they belong: Liriano, Tilson, Davidson, Asche, Narvaez, Willy Garcia, Sanchez, Saladino.  All of these guys have shortcomings and  none of them would be considered as starter material on any team bent on contending.
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    TILSON IS 24!!!!!!!!
    GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!
    WTF IS TILSON SHORTCOMING?!?!?!?!?!?
    OTHER THAN A FLUKE INJURY AND THE KARK LIKES HIM.
    YOU OUTRIGHT LIE BY INCLUDING HIM IN YOUR LIST OF FAILURES.  
    AND YOU CLAIM HE WOULD NOT STARTER ON A CONTENDER IS WITHOUT BASIS.  CONTENDING TEAMS DO START ROOKIES.
    IF THE KARK WERE RIPPING THIS KID, YOU'D POINT OUT HE HAS ABOVE AVERAGE SPEED AND DEFENSE AND COULD MATURE INTO A DECENT #1 OR #2 

    Why don't you try to get a grip on reality (which you are in complete denial of) instead of foaming at the mouth all the time ?   Contenders don't make guys with 2 major league AB's and less than 400 ab's in AAA their starting CFer unless he is a really top prospect.  Tilson never ranked in BA's top 100.  Cards traded him for a middle reliever in midseason 2016 so is this a guy they were thinking of as their starting CFer in 2017 ?  Get real. 
    Tilson has no power. The same exact thing you were criticizing Narvaez for applies. Pitchers will challenge him and OFers will play him very shallow. He may have trouble drawing walks. Remember your comments ?
    All that said, I agree Tilson has a chance to amount to something. Has Eaton's skillset. Good speed, defense, batting eye.  His minor league stats (733 OPS) aren't as strong as Eaton's (948) though.  Recall you were ripping on Eaton several years ago as "too short". Now you are touting a guy with same skillset and a less impressive minor league record. Again, maybe it is YOUR consistency that needs a check.



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    OU OUTRIGHT LIE BY INCLUDING HIM IN YOUR LIST OF FAILURES>
    You outright lie by saying that this was a "list of failures". This was a list of guys who have some talent but also have shortcomings which is why they haven't been given the chance to play more (with the exception of Garcia of course).  Now they're getting that chance, we'll see what happens.


    ROGER DOESN'T HAVE A FREAKING CLUE.. HEY, THE CUBS LUCKED INTO RIZZO..  WRONG, HE WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE CORRECT CALL THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.. THE KARK GETS IT
    THE 2 ROB JR'S DON'T.  [size=13]>>
    Pray tell, where is the next Rizzo (who hit .343 with 23 HRs in 1/2 season in AAA at age 22) on that list of Sox OFers ?  Sox are taking a bunch of under 30 year old OF/DH types into camp that are question marks for one reason or another.  They aren't making judgments as to who has what job locked up (except for vets under contract), so it's open competition. 
    You have said repeatedly the only two guys that are sure things for 2018 are Anderson and Rodon. I agree.  So it does no good for you, me or the Sox to predict which of these other question mark guys will make 2018 team since they will get a chance to prove it on the field .






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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by alohafri on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:17 am

    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:
    alohafri wrote:
    Deplorable Mark wrote:Why should the Sox cut Garcia at this moment ? 


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    BECAUSE HE SUCKS!!!!!!


    HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TENDERED!!!!!!!


    TRY WATCHING THE GAMES INSTEAD OF STAT HACK BLOGS!!!!!


    DEFENDING AVISAIL GARCIA, WHAT FURTHER PROOF IS NEEDED SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WISH TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK

    No one is "defending" Avisail Garcia. We are just saying that he is on the team at the moment. Releasing him gets the Sox nothing, and I believe we still have to pay him. He can be offered up as trade bait, but the fish likely won't be biting. 


    RELEASE HIM B4 3/15 AND YOU ONLY PAY HIM ABOUT A 1/6TH

    THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO VICIEDO

    BUT WHY LOOK IT UP WHEN ITS EASIER TO DELIBERATELY DISAGREE WITH THE KARK.

    GEE, I WOULD THINK A SEASON TICKET HOLDER WOULD HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF GARCIA IN A WHITE SOX UNIFORM

    I can put up with another year of Garcia because I see an actual plan and want to see that plan develop. I don't want "the kids" to be brought up before they are ready. 


    It gives me someone I can boo.



    MORE FALSE CHOICES AS YOU INSIST ON DELIBERATELY DISAGREEING WITH ME


    ENJOY CRYING ON ROGER'S SHOULDER WHEN THIS CLOWN IS CUT IN 26 DAYS


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    BTW, WHAT IS THE PLAN


    PLAY SHIT UNTIL SOMEBODY OVER PAYS FOR QUINTANA AND ROBERTSON?!?!?!!??


    WHAT'S PLAN B?!?!?!?!


    DRAFT MORE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHEN NOBODY OVERPAYS FOR OUR VETERANS IN THEIR FREE AGENCY YEAR?!?!?


    EVER CONSIDER THE REAL PLAN MAY HAVE BEEN TO PURGE THE TEAM OF THE DRAKE LAROUCHE FACTION OF NAMBLA?

    Yes Kark. You are 100% correct. Jerry Reinsdorf needs to seek you out to be the president and general manager of this team. You have more baseball knowledge than Connie Mack and John McGraw ever had, let alone Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn. 
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    Re: FULL OF BEANS or just DELUSIONAL

    Post by Deplorable Mark on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:25 am

    Yes Kark. You are 100% correct. Jerry Reinsdorf needs to seek you out to be the president and general manager of this team. You have more baseball knowledge than Connie Mack and John McGraw ever had, let alone Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn. 


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    More like I actually think and analyze instead of looking for ways to deliberately disagree with people.


    Seriously, defending Avisail Garcia?!?!?!?!?!?!?


    Your buddy Roger correctly called him a stiff when the Sox acquired him.


    Now after proving roger 100% correct, the two of you want to give him a 3rd, or is it, 4th chance.

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