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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:25 am

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    Post by rmapasad on Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:30 pm

    Shooters Buffet wrote:
    Nomads44 wrote:
    Check out the batting average against for Adam Wainwright on first pitch?  Last I heard, it was something like 11-16 or .580 something.

    Kinda blows the theory about making him work harder/throw more pitches out of the water.  If a pitcher is CONSTANTLY getting ahead with first pitch strikes against you, then start swinging until he changes and throws tougher pitches.  Why be 0-1 every at bat?
    Stop making sense, Nomads!!!  All of this WORK THE COUNT is stathead idiocy.
    Nick Swisher would be EXHIBIT A!!!!!


    Swisher's year with the White Sox was an anamoly. It was sandwiched between 3 good seasons with the A's and 4 good ones afterward with the Yankees.  He was a decent, above average OFer until his injuries robbed him of power at age 33.  At that point, pitchers weren't bothering to be careful with him anymore so he couldn't get his vaunted # of BB's.  With no power, no walks, and poor defense he was toast.

    When Beane showed how his teams could succeed with patient hitters who could draw walks, he was exploiting something most GM's weren't paying attention to.  Eventually other orgs caught on, and his most notably successful disciple, Theo Epstein, won 2 world titles in Boston, and has brought a similar philosophy to the Cubs.  Cubs lead the NL in walks this year.  So this line of thought is hardly dead.   

    What has changed in the stathead community is that they are no longer extolling the Adam Dunn type slow, high HR, high BB guys with bad defense. Statheads, including those employed by the Royals last year, "discovered" the importance of defense, baserunning, contact hitting, and bullpens.  So basically they have another way to skin the cat.   
    Epstein has blended in some of the newer stuff (particularly defense, baserunning) with the older school OBP/BB philosophy. Cubs are the best defensive and baserunning teams in baseball right now. But he's not gone completely "state of the art" as Cubs still don't have good contact hitters  - 6 of their starters have BA's below .250 and their bullpen is a bit choppy.   So they have vulnerabilities.
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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:58 pm

    Statheads discovered the value of baserunning and contact hitting?  Defense???


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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:59 pm

    Swisher's most compelling stat.....Batted .158 in EIGHT Playoff series with the Yankees.


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    Post by jaywit on Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:01 pm

    Shooters Buffet wrote:Swisher's most compelling stat.....Batted .158 in EIGHT Playoff series with the Yankees.


    GARBAGE.

    Ozzie learned quicker.  Benched him during the '08 series with the Rays.

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