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    Todd Frazier?

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:26 pm

    The rumor is that the Sox are heavily interested in making a deal with the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier.  Given the way that Frazier fell apart the second half of last season, KW will probably overpay.  Maybe Frazier was playing hurt, but there was a huge difference between his first half and his second.  Still his 2015 season totals were 35 HRs, 89 RBIs and .255 BA.  He's 29 years old and bats right-handed.  Frazier is signed for $7.5 million for next season and isn't scheduled to become a free agent until after the 2017 season.
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    Post by rmapasad on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:12 pm

    MGJOHNSON wrote:The rumor is that the Sox are heavily interested in making a deal with the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier.  Given the way that Frazier fell apart the second half of last season, KW will probably overpay.  Maybe Frazier was playing hurt, but there was a huge difference between his first half and his second.  Still his 2015 season totals were 35 HRs, 89 RBIs and .255 BA.  He's 29 years old and bats right-handed.  Frazier is signed for $7.5 million for next season and isn't scheduled to become a free agent until after the 2017 season.


    Yeah, he had a Jekyl/Hyde year.  Didn't seem to miss any games in 2nd half so there seems to be no clear injury to explain the results.  Basically he had two monster months (May + June) where he hit a combined .300 and 18 HR's (50+ yrly HR pace).   The other 4 months he hit a combined .230 and 17 HR's (a 25 HR pace for the year). 

    Career-wise he's a .257 hitter that averages 25 HR's per year, and that might be the more realistic expectation for him.  But that would still be a massive improvement over Sox's 3b disaster this year. 
    Reds apparently are asking for Tim Anderson plus and it might be worth looking at.  Anderson's trade value is high right now after hitting 312 with 49 SB's in AA. But his plate discipline is weak, which might make him more vulnerable as he faces tougher pitchers and his SS defense is still erratic.  Tough call as the Reds are entertaining multiple offers and obviously peddling Frazier based on his career best 2015 season.  So they will expect a lot in return.

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    Re: Todd Frazier?

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:33 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    MGJOHNSON wrote:The rumor is that the Sox are heavily interested in making a deal with the Reds for 3B Todd Frazier.  Given the way that Frazier fell apart the second half of last season, KW will probably overpay.  Maybe Frazier was playing hurt, but there was a huge difference between his first half and his second.  Still his 2015 season totals were 35 HRs, 89 RBIs and .255 BA.  He's 29 years old and bats right-handed.  Frazier is signed for $7.5 million for next season and isn't scheduled to become a free agent until after the 2017 season.


    Yeah, he had a Jekyl/Hyde year.  Didn't seem to miss any games in 2nd half so there seems to be no clear injury to explain the results.  Basically he had two monster months (May + June) where he hit a combined .300 and 18 HR's (50+ yrly HR pace).   The other 4 months he hit a combined .230 and 17 HR's (a 25 HR pace for the year). 

    Career-wise he's a .257 hitter that averages 25 HR's per year, and that might be the more realistic expectation for him.  But that would still be a massive improvement over Sox's 3b disaster this year. 
    Reds apparently are asking for Tim Anderson plus and it might be worth looking at.  Anderson's trade value is high right now after hitting 312 with 49 SB's in AA. But his plate discipline is weak, which might make him more vulnerable as he faces tougher pitchers and his SS defense is still erratic.  Tough call as the Reds are entertaining multiple offers and obviously peddling Frazier based on his career best 2015 season.  So they will expect a lot in return.

    I don't really count on Tim Anderson as being anything more than an over-hyped stiff as was Micah Johnson last spring.  Unless a team can move them to CF, their defense in the middle of the infield wouldn't measure up.  Outfielder Trayce Thompson is another stiff that they should trade now while he may be of some value to somebody.  I wouldn't weep over seeing Avi Garcia go too, although he may still pan out.
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    Re: Todd Frazier?

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:35 pm

    MGJOHNSON wrote:
    I don't really count on Tim Anderson as being anything more than an over-hyped stiff as was Micah Johnson last spring.  Unless a team can move them to CF, their defense in the middle of the infield wouldn't measure up.  Outfielder Trayce Thompson is another stiff that they should trade now while he may be of some value to somebody.  I wouldn't weep over seeing Avi Garcia go too, although he may still pan out.

    Fact that Anderson is Sox's # 1 prospect is more of a commentary on the Sox farm system than on how good Anderson is.  He hit .312 at age 22 which was better than Johnson did at the same age, and he is more agile on defense. Meaning that a switch to 2b could be possible.  But Anderson striking out nearly 5 times as often as he walked this year doesn't bode well.   That's worse than Tank's K/BB in AA and Tank was only 20 at the time.  The vast majority of guys with 3.5 or worse K/BB ratios in AA have flopped.  The only major leaguer infielder who made it recently with that bad a ratio was Brandon Crawford and he came up due to excellent defense. Crawford  also upped his plate discipline considerably the next year.  . Still, Crawford is basically a career .250 hitter.   The redflags are flying on Anderson.   It's too early to call him a stiff, but he's got some real improving to do when he reaches the higher levels of competition in order to make it.  As noted it might be worth the Sox unloading him now after a season of good numbers if they could get a real solid proven major leaguer for him
    As to whether Garcia and/or Thompson will be traded, do you honestly think any team believes these guys have any value ?  Garcia sucked on defense, showed no power and continued to show he has no clue of the strike zone.    Any club who looked at Thompson's record can see his good numbers with Sox this season came  entirely from his hot 35 PA's when he first came up (he hit .230 in his next 100 PA's) and they would obviously take note of the .248 career minor league average in over 6 seasons. 
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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:11 pm

    If Kenny drafted or traded for them, they probably SUCK!!!


    Odds are THEY SUCK!!


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    Re: Todd Frazier?

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:13 am

    rmapasad wrote:
    Fact that Anderson is Sox's # 1 prospect is more of a commentary on the Sox farm system than on how good Anderson is.  He hit .312 at age 22 which was better than Johnson did at the same age, and he is more agile on defense. Meaning that a switch to 2b could be possible.  But Anderson striking out nearly 5 times as often as he walked this year doesn't bode well.   That's worse than Tank's K/BB in AA and Tank was only 20 at the time.  The vast majority of guys with 3.5 or worse K/BB ratios in AA have flopped.  The only major leaguer infielder who made it recently with that bad a ratio was Brandon Crawford and he came up due to excellent defense. Crawford  also upped his plate discipline considerably the next year.  . Still, Crawford is basically a career .250 hitter.   The redflags are flying on Anderson.   It's too early to call him a stiff, but he's got some real improving to do when he reaches the higher levels of competition in order to make it.  As noted it might be worth the Sox unloading him now after a season of good numbers if they could get a real solid proven major leaguer for himAs to whether Garcia and/or Thompson will be traded, do you honestly think any team believes these guys have any value ?  Garcia sucked on defense, showed no power and continued to show he has no clue of the strike zone.    Any club who looked at Thompson's record can see his good numbers with Sox this season came  entirely from his hot 35 PA's when he first came up (he hit .230 in his next 100 PA's) and they would obviously take note of the .248 career minor league average in over 6 seasons. 


    Some value, not much.  Thompson has stiff written all over him.  Garcia may pan out.  His shoulder injury in 2014 may have sapped his power this past season and affected his defense.

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