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    Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:56 pm

    Idiots Kenny and Hahn had better have some idea damned soon.


    Look at all the seasons wasted waiting for Gordon Beckham's BREAKOUT YEAR!!!


    It may just happen....in JAPAN!!

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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:56 pm

    Look at all the seasons wasted waiting for Gordon Beckham's BREAKOUT YEAR!!!
    It may just happen....in JAPAN!!


    You're underestimating the quality of modern day Japanese baseball -
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Cream1953 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:07 pm

    What? Is Garcia possibly going to Japan? Christ Bobby, could you kind of elaborate a bit on what you say? You type in sound bites and assume the rest of us just automatically know what the fuck you're talking about! Here's a surprising piece of information. Many of us don't live in Chicago nor do we keep track of the Chicago press or radio shows. 

    Whatever the case, if Garcia IS going to play Japanese ball let him. No big fucking loss.
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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:38 am

    Move to Chicago so you can be closer to the Center of the Universe.....U.S. Cellular Field!!!
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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:44 am

    Here is my point, Creamer.


    This fucked up franchise seems to be run by starry eyed FANBOYS.


    4 seasons ago, both Sharpy and Rob broke down Beckham's swing.  They both basically called him hopeless.  The Fanboy Sox Management waited for some BREAKOUT SEASON that was NEVER going to come.


    Now, the next Gordo could be Avi Garcia.  Is he ever going to be worth a damn?


    If not, this fucked up franchise does not have YEARS to waste to find out.
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by alohafri on Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:12 am

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:Idiots Kenny and Hahn had better have some idea damned soon.


    Look at all the seasons wasted waiting for Gordon Beckham's BREAKOUT YEAR!!!


    It may just happen....in JAPAN!!

    I don't think he has much trade value at this point. This was basically his rookie year after losing most of 2014 to a torn labrum. We should know this season if he is a keeper or we package him for some prospects.
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Cream1953 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:38 pm

    I've seen enough. Dump him. There's a reason Detroit didn't fight to keep him.

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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Guest on Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:30 am

    If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot

    If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF

    Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident
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    Post by rmapasad on Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:16 pm

    If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot  If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF  Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident <


    With Viciedo, Sox bought off on potential, ignored the lack of baseball skills, kept making excuses for the guy's bad seasons  because he was injured or "still young" and wasted time on a useless OFer.  See the same pattern with Garcia.  Sure, he has a "quick bat" but what good does do if he swings at crap ?
    He sucks as a fielder and baserunner and where's the power ? 
    Sox either get serious about RF and go get a free agent who can field, run better, hit with some power and not swing at every itch in the book.  Or they limp along another year with Garcia, like they did with Tank, wishin' and hopin' that the light bulb will turn..
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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:15 pm

    It is one thing for FANBOYS to shove their heads up their asses and not let what happens on the field register, it is a travesty when MANAGEMENT does it.
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    Post by jaywit on Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:37 pm

    rmapasad wrote:If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot  If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF  Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident <


    With Viciedo, Sox bought off on potential, ignored the lack of baseball skills, kept making excuses for the guy's bad seasons  because he was injured or "still young" and wasted time on a useless OFer.  See the same pattern with Garcia.  Sure, he has a "quick bat" but what good does do if he swings at crap ?
    He sucks as a fielder and baserunner and where's the power ? 
    Sox either get serious about RF and go get a free agent who can field, run better, hit with some power and not swing at every itch in the book.  Or they limp along another year with Garcia, like they did with Tank, wishin' and hopin' that the light bulb will turn..

    It's even worse than that, Roger.  The Sox have two OFers with stiff potential written all over them.  Trayce Thompson was a subpar mediocrity in 7 minor league seasons including one season in which he struck out 170+ times at single A.  He happened upon a groove for a short time at the ML level and he's become a major player.

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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:46 pm

    jaywit wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot  If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF  Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident <


    With Viciedo, Sox bought off on potential, ignored the lack of baseball skills, kept making excuses for the guy's bad seasons  because he was injured or "still young" and wasted time on a useless OFer.  See the same pattern with Garcia.  Sure, he has a "quick bat" but what good does do if he swings at crap ?
    He sucks as a fielder and baserunner and where's the power ? 
    Sox either get serious about RF and go get a free agent who can field, run better, hit with some power and not swing at every itch in the book.  Or they limp along another year with Garcia, like they did with Tank, wishin' and hopin' that the light bulb will turn..

    It's even worse than that, Roger.  The Sox have two OFers with stiff potential written all over them.  Trayce Thompson was a subpar mediocrity in 7 minor league seasons including one season in which he struck out 170+ times at single A.  He happened upon a groove for a short time at the ML level and he's become a major player.

    Thompson is a fluke.  Trade him now, if anybody wants him.
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Cream1953 on Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:48 pm

    Thompson is a fluke.  


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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by Guest on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:29 am

    rmapasad wrote:If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot  If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF  Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident <


    With Viciedo, Sox bought off on potential, ignored the lack of baseball skills, kept making excuses for the guy's bad seasons  because he was injured or "still young" and wasted time on a useless OFer.  See the same pattern with Garcia.  Sure, he has a "quick bat" but what good does do if he swings at crap ?
    He sucks as a fielder and baserunner and where's the power ? 
    Sox either get serious about RF and go get a free agent who can field, run better, hit with some power and not swing at every itch in the book.  Or they limp along another year with Garcia, like they did with Tank, wishin' and hopin' that the light bulb will turn..


    IF THE KARK HAD TO BET THE HOUSE, HE WOULD RUN WITH ROGERS ASSESSMENT.  ALTHOUGH ROGER SEEMS TO MISS MY STMT THAT 2016 IS A LAST CHANCE


    THAT SAID, IF THE WHITE SOX WENT INTO TRUE REBUILDING MODE, I GIVE GARCIA ONE MORE YEAR
    1) PLENTY OF EXAMPLES WHERE IT TOOK PLAYERS A WHILE TO FIGURE IT OUT.  THE WHITE SOX WHERE KONERKO'S 3RD ORG.  THE GUY THEY TRADED FOR KONERKO, MIKE CAMERON, WAS ALSO LABELED A STIFF B4 TURNING IN A DECENT MLB CAREER.  THE MAN HAS ONLY HAD ONE FULL SEASON IN THE BIGS.
    2) THIS TEAM HAS SO MANY HOLES IN THE LINEUP AND NO SERIOUS ALTERNATIVE ON THE FARM.  SO GARCIA PROBABLY WINS A STARTING JOB BY DEFAULT
    3) COMBINE THE ABOVE 2 POINTS, AND ITS HARDLY WEARING BLINDERS AND MAKING EXCUSES.  SAMMY SOSA HAD 3 YEARS IN THE BIGS B4 FIGURING IT OUT
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by alohafri on Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:43 am

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:
    rmapasad wrote:If the White Sox would ever dedicate a year of three to rbuilding, Garcia deserves a shot to show development.  However, 2016 would most likely be the last shot  If the White Sox try to buy a winner this winter, Garcia is at best the 4th OF  Hard to believe a kid this big and strong didn't hit 20 HR on accident <


    With Viciedo, Sox bought off on potential, ignored the lack of baseball skills, kept making excuses for the guy's bad seasons  because he was injured or "still young" and wasted time on a useless OFer.  See the same pattern with Garcia.  Sure, he has a "quick bat" but what good does do if he swings at crap ?
    He sucks as a fielder and baserunner and where's the power ? 
    Sox either get serious about RF and go get a free agent who can field, run better, hit with some power and not swing at every itch in the book.  Or they limp along another year with Garcia, like they did with Tank, wishin' and hopin' that the light bulb will turn..


    IF THE KARK HAD TO BET THE HOUSE, HE WOULD RUN WITH ROGERS ASSESSMENT.  ALTHOUGH ROGER SEEMS TO MISS MY STMT THAT 2016 IS A LAST CHANCE


    THAT SAID, IF THE WHITE SOX WENT INTO TRUE REBUILDING MODE, I GIVE GARCIA ONE MORE YEAR
    1) PLENTY OF EXAMPLES WHERE IT TOOK PLAYERS A WHILE TO FIGURE IT OUT.  THE WHITE SOX WHERE KONERKO'S 3RD ORG.  THE GUY THEY TRADED FOR KONERKO, MIKE CAMERON, WAS ALSO LABELED A STIFF B4 TURNING IN A DECENT MLB CAREER.  THE MAN HAS ONLY HAD ONE FULL SEASON IN THE BIGS.
    2) THIS TEAM HAS SO MANY HOLES IN THE LINEUP AND NO SERIOUS ALTERNATIVE ON THE FARM.  SO GARCIA PROBABLY WINS A STARTING JOB BY DEFAULT
    3) COMBINE THE ABOVE 2 POINTS, AND ITS HARDLY WEARING BLINDERS AND MAKING EXCUSES.  SAMMY SOSA HAD 3 YEARS IN THE BIGS B4 FIGURING IT OUT

    Sickofant making sense! I just hope that Garcia doesn't figure it out with a bottle of Flintstone vitamins.

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:21 am

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:
    SAMMY SOSA HAD 3 YEARS IN THE BIGS B4 FIGURING IT OUT

    Which end of the needle to use?

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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:34 am

    I agree that Avi Garcia should get another year to prove himself.  He had a serious shoulder injury in 2014 in which he came back much quicker from surgery than almost anyone had suspected.  He may have not regained his full strength in 2015 and his defensive play might have been a little tentative due to the injury.  Also last season was his first full year in the majors.  The Sox have a lot more serious problems that need addressing than Garcia.
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    Re: Is Avi Garcia a STIFF???

    Post by rmapasad on Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:40 am

    MGJOHNSON wrote:I agree that Avi Garcia should get another year to prove himself.  He had a serious shoulder injury in 2014 in which he came back much quicker from surgery than almost anyone had suspected.  He may have not regained his full strength in 2015 and his defensive play might have been a little tentative due to the injury.  Also last season was his first full year in the majors.  The Sox have a lot more serious problems that need addressing than Garcia.

    A right fielder who puts up an 87 OPS+, and was one of the worst defensive RFers in the league IS a serious problem.  Garcia was almost as bad as Sox's 2b, 3b, DH, and Catcher. But as you point out, he's a stiff who's able to hide out among the other stiffs and Garcia LOOKS like more of a stud.  That he's a baseball dumbass has never seemed to bother the Sox.  It did bother the Tigers, who got rid of him at age 22, something clubs rarely do these days.  
    I'm still struggling to see the positives in Garcia that make him worth putting up with the obvious negatives like baserunning, defense, plate discipline.  Yeah, for brief segments of his career (200-300 abs) he's been able to hit over .300.  But then put him in the same league (both minors and majors) for a full season where pitchers can adjust to him, and he's been a .257 - .275 hitter with warning track power.   So I'd like to hear know what REASONABLE basis the Sox have for believing this guy (who was a clear D/D- this year) will amount to something besides the usual "he's still young, he was hurt, he needs a chance, etc"  ... Kark mentioned Sosa.  In his mid-20's, Sammy took off but we know the reason why.   If Garcia can get his OF buddy Melky to put him in touch with the right people, now that might be a reasonable basis for hope.
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    Post by rmapasad on Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:22 pm

    Hawk Harrelson wrote:It is one thing for FANBOYS to shove their heads up their asses and not let what happens on the field register, it is a travesty when MANAGEMENT does it.


    I'm sure we all agree that Sox Mgmt has been screwed up and as a result fields screwed up teams.  We know Mgmt is perpetually half-ass. They've had  good homegrown pitching talent but failed miserably in drafting or trading for young hitters.  They're willing to spend about the same amount on payroll as a mid-market team (instead of a true big market team) but they don't know how to pick and choose wisely to get value for their $$ like other mid-market teams like KC, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc. 
     I have to believe that even Reinsdorf is frustrated and maybe a little embarrassed.  Yeah, not so frustrated and embarrassed that he's going to change a whole lot. He can just sit back and make his money.  But at some point, you'd think the pride would kick in and he'd want to stop the constant losing.  Or do something about the fact that his franchise is worth only about 1/2 what the Cubs is.  

    BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE NOW ?   First of all, recognize what kind of ballpark you have and the kind of players who make sense for it.  The Cell is a power park so the Sox need some power in their lineup.  They have that in Abreu but they need more.  Melky Cabrera was a waste.  They need guys to get on base for the power though, and they also need some speed in the lineup.  Above all, they need position players who can field worth a shit.  That's what the Royals and Giants did.  Fielding/decent hitting is cheaper to buy in the free market than big power guys or the .300 hitters, so if the Sox stay mid-market spenders they have to learn to pick guys that make sense, not just who looks good at the time.    Second, they already have good pitching on a reasonable budget.  They just need to find some more power arms for the bullpen and develop some RHed pitchers who throw groundballs.  You don't want to have a flyball pitching staff at the Cell.   Last but not least, get Kenny Williams out of baseball decisions and let Hahn have a fair shot of looking at how other teams do it and try it on the Sox.  Instead of letting Kenny's strong (and usually misguided) opinions constantly get in the way.    It's not impossible that this club could turn the ship around but they just have to get out of their own way and make some basic common sense baseball decisions.

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    FOR THE RECORD, THE KARK SAID GARCIA DESERVES ONE FINAL CHANCE IN 2016 IF ITS A TRUE REBUILDING PROJECT.  WHEN YOU NEED TO REPLACE 2/3 OF YOUR LINEUP, THEN GARCIA CAN HIDE AMOUNG THE STIFFS, AS ROGER SO ELOQUENTLY PUT

    NOW IF ITS WIN NOW MODE, THE WHITE SOX NEED TO BUY 2 BIG BATS.  THOSE BIG BATS WILL PLAYE SOME COMBO OF OF-1B-DH.  SINCE ABREAU AND EATON ALREADY HAVE 2 OF THOSE SPOTS, AND MELKEY CABRERA MOSTLY LIKELY A 3RD, THEN AVI IS OUT OF A STARTING JOB
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    Post by rmapasad on Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:05 pm

    FOR THE RECORD, THE KARK SAID GARCIA DESERVES ONE FINAL CHANCE IN 2016 IF ITS A TRUE REBUILDING PROJECT.>
    He "deserves" it only because Trayce Thompson is the competition. 
    In checking Garcia's BR "similarity" profiles, names like Alex Presley and Lastings Milledge are right at the top of the list.  That pretty much says it all.  Garcia's "last chance" looks like yet another season watching  an overhyped prospect circle the drain.
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    Post by Cream1953 on Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:12 pm

    Garcia's "last chance" looks like yet another season watching  an overhyped prospect circle the drain.


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    Post by Guest on Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:13 pm

    Garcia's "last chance" looks like yet another season watching  an overhyped prospect circle the drain.


    Unless they sign Ian Desmond, Ben Zobrist, Dexter Fowler, Alex Avilla or Saltamacchia, Heyward and Aramis Ramirez they are pretty much stuck with Garcia. So sayin he is shit, which we all gathered over the past year, isn't helping with the problem. You can't cut Garcia unless you have another body to put in - and they don't.

    BTW - if this win now crap continues, then Zobrist, Avilla/salta and Fowler would be a nice start.

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    Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:40 am

    The KARK fails to see how what the Sox do or do not do at catcher or 3B effects Garcia

    That said, Sharpy is correct in pointing out how the lack of bodies is keeping Garcia employed.
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:52 pm

    That said, Sharpy is correct in pointing out how the lack of bodies is keeping Garcia employe
     "He's all we got" doesn't hold much water, IMO.  Garcia set the bar so low (-1 WAR) that any one of dozens of bodies could step in. Sox already have them in Schuck, Thompson and JAson Coats.  Plus at least 20-30 low-level free agents that could easily be grabbed.   No team should settle for sub-replacement level performance.

    You should only keep Garcia if his skills point to him getting a lot better. But what skills does he have exactly ? Typical Sox logic is . "He's the incumbent, he's still only 25, we invested a lot in him, he deserves one more shot."   This exempts the club from actually EVALUATING the player. It's almost like "we don't really know whether he'll get better, all we can do is hope he does. What can we do - there wasn't anyone else". WHAT WEAK-ASS NONSENSE !!!!!!!!! It keeps the Sox shitty.  It keeps them trotting out the Beckhams, DeAzas, Flowers, Viciedos, Gillaspies for that last hurrah. It's like going to the track and constantly playing the 15-1 shots...One of these days, one of 'em will hit !!!

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