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    Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:18 pm

    As oppose to the annual pretend to contend.....

    As noted earlier by both Roger and I, the White Sox basically have 2 hitters that are above average and 7 players that need replacing, if not this year, definitely next.

    Trouble is, nobody on the farm.  Micah Johnson appears to be a bust.  Trayce Thompson appears to have played above his head based on minor league stats.  But if you rebuild, you most likely have to gamble on these two and Garcia in RF.  Folks, this is it for MLB ready young talent on the White Sox.

    So that brings us to the 800 gorilla in the room.  Do you trade Chris Sale to jump start the rebuild?

    2 biggest concerns the KARK has:
    1)  They don't get anywhere close to even value (But they probably could compete as the new Chicago Football Cardinals)
    2)  They get the iineup needed to compete but will always be looking for that ACE in the rotation

    Anyway, you trade Sale, he must bring back a blue chipper.  Something like what Mike Trout and Bryce Harper where 2011.  Trading Sale means they need to get a hitter better than Jose Abreau. Which most likely means an OF.  Again, my fear is a Sale trade means quantity over quality.

    After Sale, the next guy to move is David Robertson.  Not sure what the brings, but again, have to target a hitter.

    Another big question is whether or not to trade Jose Quintana.  My fear hear is that the world's greatest 9 game winner lands on a real team and wins 18 after the White Sox gave him up for 50 cents on the dollar.  Plus somebody has to lead the staff after Sale is gone.

    Then there are all those middle relievers like Nate Jones and Petricka and Webb and Putnam and....

    First, leave enough for a functional bullpen.  But there should be enough leftover to acquire some high risk gambles or kids that need a 2nd or 3rd chance.  Remember, the White Sox were Paul Konerko's 3rd org.  Maybe they can find another Carlos Quentin, but this time a healthy one.

    In conclusion, if Sale lands you a future superstud and Robertson land you another All-Star and if they can get lucky with one of their own like Tim Anderson and they get lucky with finding some kid off the scrap heap, that should be enough to add to Eaton and Abreau to have a functioning lineup.  If they keep Quintana and Rodon and Fulmer and one other like maybe Eric Johnson, then they have a quality rotation.  Then they just need some power arms to term into quality relievers.....
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    Another big question is whether or not to trade Jose Quintana.  My fear hear is that the world's greatest 9 game winner lands on a real team and wins 18 after the White Sox gave him up for 50 cents on the dollar.  Plus somebody has to lead the staff after Sale is gone...>>.

    My fear would be that Quintana is the next Johnny Danks..  3 good years then kaplooee.  Arm injury or the league gets onto him.   Sale has been the real deal and he, like Kershaw, is the anchor you try to keep for the next 3 years.  Problem is that this ownership is so screwed up that they can't surround him, Rodon and maybe Fullmer with a crew that is worth a tinker's damn.

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    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:07 am

    The actual reality is that Russell Martin was a free agent and would have solved the catching problem for years, and the sox didn't even call to say "hi".  They always go 2nd tier free agents to save a nickel. And end up with a second tier team

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    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:14 am

    I'd try to trade Quintana for an established or "can't miss" second or third baseman. Boston seems to have a logjam behind Pedroia with players being used out of position and they need pitching. Start there 
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    Post by Harry Caray on Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:51 am

    BELIEVE!!!!!
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    Post by Cream1953 on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:27 am

    Get rid of the fucking "bangers" at DH!! This team has spent millions for DH muscle and all they got were slugs instead of sluggers. Look how much they have absolutely squandered on the likes of Dunn and LaRoche. I wanna puke every time I see LaRoche step into the batter's box. Between that goofy looking beard and god-awful batting stance the dude is so fucking ugly he could be a modern art masterpiece. 

    For crying out loud, forget the homers and put some contact guy in that slot who can hit the fucking ball and draw a walk every now and then. Hell, the team would have been better off if Eaton would have DHd for fuck's sake! Christ Almighty, this team won a world championship with Carl Everett at DH. Oaf Dunn and LaRoach make Crazy Carl look like Ted fucking Williams by comparison.
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    Post by alohafri on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:34 am

    Cream1953 wrote:Get rid of the fucking "bangers" at DH!! This team has spent millions for DH muscle and all they got were slugs instead of sluggers. Look how much they have absolutely squandered on the likes of Dunn and LaRoche. I wanna puke every time I see LaRoche step into the batter's box. Between that goofy looking beard and god-awful batting stance the dude is so fucking ugly he could be a modern art masterpiece. 

    For crying out loud, forget the homers and put some contact guy in that slot who can hit the fucking ball and draw a walk every now and then. Hell, the team would have been better off if Eaton would have DHd for fuck's sake! Christ Almighty, this team won a world championship with Carl Everett at DH. Oaf Dunn and LaRoach make Crazy Carl look like Ted fucking Williams by comparison.

    They should get a DH that the opposing team won't want to put one of those goofy shifts on...what a concept! A hitter who can hit to all parts of the field!
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    Post by Cream1953 on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:55 am

    Agreed. Forget the home runs, I'd be thrilled with someone who could hit .280 at that position. You'd think that's asking for too much. 

    One of my all-time favorite fucked-up White Sox moments was when Oaf Dunn explained the finer points of his approach towards hitting to the opposite field!! lol They might as well have had me on there explaining my approach towards dunking a basketball.
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:22 pm

    Agreed. Forget the home runs, I'd be thrilled with someone who could hit .280 at that position. >>

    Cream, I don't think the Sox should ever "forget HR's".    Their problem this year is that guys who were supposed to hit HR's didn't (LaRoche, Cabrera, Garcia).  Sox were last in HR's and last in Runs, and there is a real correlation.   Teams who don't hit many HR's usually have trouble scoring runs 4 of the 5 lowest scoring teams in majors this year were also in the bottom 5 in HR's.  The two top scoring offenses were also top 5 in HR's 
     Sure, every now and then a speedy team like the Royals can have a league avg (but not premier) offense with low HR's. But the Sox don't have that kind of team, and it's understandable since the Cell is one of the best HR parks in baseball. Anytime the Sox have had an above average offense it's because they are among the league leaders in HR's.  The Sox need MORE HR hitters not less - they should be getting more Abreu types and fewer Melky/Garcia types.  The problem has been getting HR hitters who are washed up.

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    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:44 pm

    THE ONLY TYPE OF HITTER THE WHITE SOX SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON ACQUIRING ARE THE HITTERS THAT CAN ACTUALLY HIT.
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    Post by Cream1953 on Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:54 pm

    Roger, Eaton slugged as many home runs as LaRoach this year. Where's it carved in stone where a DH has to be a home run banger? Hell, instead of waiting on a strike-out machine to hit the occasional dinger, give me a more dependable contact hitter who's far more likely to get you a single or double if the table's set for him.
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    Post by rmapasad on Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:46 pm

    Cream1953 wrote:Roger, Eaton slugged as many home runs as LaRoach this year. Where's it carved in stone where a DH has to be a home run banger? Hell, instead of waiting on a strike-out machine to hit the occasional dinger, give me a more dependable contact hitter who's far more likely to get you a single or double if the table's set for him

    DH is a logical place to put a typical power hitting fielding butcher.  That's what LaRoche was last year (26 HR's, .260 hitter, terrible glove), which is fine for DH if he could stay near those levels. But just because a guy did that last year doesn't mean you can automatically check the 25 HR  leftie power hitter box and be done with it.  Especially when the guy is turning 35 years old. 
    Sox could have had a 32 yr old Kendrys Morales and for less money if they hadn't been scared off by his bad 2014.   Morales is also a mid-20's HR fielding oaf, but Sox opted to pay full retail price for LaRoche's better 2014 numbers instead, gambling that LARoche's age wouldn't take him down. Needless to say they lost the gamble.
    Again, I think the problem doesn't lie so much in the Sox's strategy of wanting a power guy over a singles-hitter for DH but rather picking the wrong power guy.

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    Post by frank bonifacic on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:08 pm

    rmapasad wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Roger, Eaton slugged as many home runs as LaRoach this year. Where's it carved in stone where a DH has to be a home run banger? Hell, instead of waiting on a strike-out machine to hit the occasional dinger, give me a more dependable contact hitter who's far more likely to get you a single or double if the table's set for him

    DH is a logical place to put a typical power hitting fielding butcher.  That's what LaRoche was last year (26 HR's, .260 hitter, terrible glove), which is fine for DH if he could stay near those levels. But just because a guy did that last year doesn't mean you can automatically check the 25 HR  leftie power hitter box and be done with it.  Especially when the guy is turning 35 years old. 
    Sox could have had a 32 yr old Kendrys Morales and for less money if they hadn't been scared off by his bad 2014.   Morales is also a mid-20's HR fielding oaf, but Sox opted to pay full retail price for LaRoche's better 2014 numbers instead, gambling that LARoche's age wouldn't take him down. Needless to say they lost the gamble.
    Again, I think the problem doesn't lie so much in the Sox's strategy of wanting a power guy over a singles-hitter for DH but rather picking the wrong power guy.



     And why should they be any better at picking at power guy than they are at ANY position player. They are more than capable at screwing up across the board.

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    Post by Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:24 pm

    WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO
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    Post by alohafri on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:28 pm

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    God dammit! If Kenny reads this board we are all going to kick your ass!
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    Post by jaywit on Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:45 pm

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    Of all the shit you've thrown up on a wall to see what sticks, this one takes the cake.    geek
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    Re: 2016 ANTI WISH LIST

    Post by Harry Caray on Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:54 pm

    jaywit wrote:
    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    Of all the shit you've thrown up on a wall to see what sticks, this one takes the cake.    geek
    HE STOLE THIS FROM HARVEY!!!


    Harvey wanted Beckham to CONCENTRATE ON POWER AND PLAY LF!!!!


    Gordon always had a problem putting his bat on the ball and Harvey had visions of HANK AARON!!!


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    Post by jaywit on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:21 pm

    Harry Caray wrote:
    jaywit wrote:
    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    Of all the shit you've thrown up on a wall to see what sticks, this one takes the cake.    geek
    HE STOLE THIS FROM HARVEY!!!


    Harvey wanted Beckham to CONCENTRATE ON POWER AND PLAY LF!!!!


    Gordon always had a problem putting his bat on the ball and Harvey had visions of HANK AARON!!!


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    He's a bust.  Why do people still harbor hopes for and expectations from this OBVIOUS BUM.  He's Tim Tebow, he's Ryan Leaf, he's the immemorable bum drafted before Jordan.  GET THE FUCK RID OF HIM.  AGAIN!
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    Post by jaywit on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:30 pm

    Or, in terms Kark has used, in a trade you couldn't acquire a shitty 12th pitcher for Beckman.

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    Post by frank bonifacic on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:40 pm

    jaywit wrote:
    Harry Caray wrote:
    jaywit wrote:
    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    Of all the shit you've thrown up on a wall to see what sticks, this one takes the cake.    geek
    HE STOLE THIS FROM HARVEY!!!


    Harvey wanted Beckham to CONCENTRATE ON POWER AND PLAY LF!!!!


    Gordon always had a problem putting his bat on the ball and Harvey had visions of HANK AARON!!!


    cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor jocolor scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
    He's a bust.  Why do people still harbor hopes for and expectations from this OBVIOUS BUM.  He's Tim Tebow, he's Ryan Leaf, he's the immemorable bum drafted before Jordan.  GET THE FUCK RID OF HIM.  AGAIN!

     Understand your sentiments, BUT, Sam Bowie was NOT a bum. Olajawon was drafted 1st. Portland, where Bill Walton was a aging super star had drafted Hall of Famer Clyde Drexler the year before and did not need another guard.
    It wasn't a bad choice-the problem was Bowie's health (legs) which was known in college. No one knew that he would be habitually troubled by injuries NOR did anyone know that Michael Jordan would BECOME Michael Jordan at the time of the draft.
    BULLS got extremely lucky

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    Post by Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:51 pm

    Gordon always had a problem putting his bat on the ball and Harvey had visions of HANK AARON!!!




    Well, Hank did start as a 2bman

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    Post by Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:25 pm

    jaywit wrote:
    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    Of all the shit you've thrown up on a wall to see what sticks, this one takes the cake.    geek


    DO WORRY GUYS

    I'M SURE THE WHITE SOX WOULD NEVER INSULT GORDO WITH A MINOR LEAGUE OFFER
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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:57 pm

    Chi-kid wrote:The actual reality is that Russell Martin was a free agent and would have solved the catching problem for years, and the sox didn't even call to say "hi".  They always go 2nd tier free agents to save a nickel. And end up with a second tier team
    The Sox are a joke.  My question is are people in Management as dumb as they sound, or are they just appealing to the few brain dead idiots left out there that have nothing to do but hope for MIRACLE SEASONS????
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    Post by rmapasad on Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:23 pm

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:
    jaywit wrote:
    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:WHY DOES THE KARK GET THE FEELING THAT GORDON BECKHAM NEEDS TO BE SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT AND GIVEN A SHOT AT DH?

    MAYBE THAT UNLEASHES HIS HIDDEN RYNO

    DO WORRY GUYS

    I'M SURE THE WHITE SOX WOULD NEVER INSULT GORDO WITH A MINOR LEAGUE OFFER

    Yes, they probably figure a guy with his credentials would never stoop to taking such a deal.
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    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:12 pm

    YOU ARE JEALOUS OF GORDON!!!!!


    ROTFLMFAO!!!

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