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    David Robertson

    Post by sox55 on Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:51 am

    From MLB.com:


    David Robertson, RHP, age 30


    Robertson is coming off of a career year in his first season as closer for the Yankees. His 39 saves and 13.4 strikeouts per nine innings over 63 appearances are impressive, and there's no doubt now that he can be an elite closer, having replaced Mariano Rivera flawlessly. Robertson's problem is he has the Qualifying Offer tag and a team will be reluctant to give up a Draft pick for a closer, unless it has a protected first-round pick, as is the case with the White Sox, or the pick is late in the first round. His two-pitch mix, including a wipeout curve, would fit in many places that need to win now and had struggles at the closer spot.


    Estimated contract: Three years, $36 million
    Lead suitors: Nationals, Tigers, Yankees, White Sox

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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by Guest on Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:52 am

    Would be helpful for sure but don't you think the Yankees could easily exceed that $12 million a year? With all the help the Sox need, do you spend that much just on a closer?
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by Cream1953 on Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:08 am

    Personally I think it's a crap shoot when it comes to signing relievers and while this is certainly a huge need for team Fuck-Up, if they overspend for a releiver they're dumber than I thought they were and that's pretty fucking dumb. Consistently good relievers year in and year out are extremely hard to find. Most tend to be one maybe 2 year wonders. When they bottom out you're then stuck with them. I don't care how good a reliever is, let's not forget that in a relief pitcher you are getting someone who is basically flawed because they couldn't cut the mustard as a starter. If they were that damn good at pitching they wouldn't be in the bullpen to begin with.  

    It's basically been my opinion that most teams with good bullpens are more lucky than they are astute at judging talent. You overpay for your bullpen you're stuck with yet another fat contract ala Oaf. Scott Linebrink anyone?
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by alohafri on Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:50 am

    Cream1953 wrote:I don't care how good a reliever is, let's not forget that in a relief pitcher you are getting someone who is basically flawed because they couldn't cut the mustard as a starter. If they were that damn good at pitching they wouldn't be in the bullpen to begin with.   


    I think that's the case with middle relievers, but not necessarily with closers. Maybe back in the days of yore, but not today. Today, I think closers are groomed from high school.
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by alohafri on Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:50 am

    Cream1953 wrote:I don't care how good a reliever is, let's not forget that in a relief pitcher you are getting someone who is basically flawed because they couldn't cut the mustard as a starter. If they were that damn good at pitching they wouldn't be in the bullpen to begin with.   


    I think that's the case with middle relievers, but not necessarily with closers. Maybe back in the days of yore, but not today. Today, I think closers are groomed from high school.

    That being said, $35 million is overpaying for a 30 year old reliever. At 30, he is not the heir-apparent to Mariano, he is a stop-gap.
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:21 pm

    alohafri wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:I don't care how good a reliever is, let's not forget that in a relief pitcher you are getting someone who is basically flawed because they couldn't cut the mustard as a starter. If they were that damn good at pitching they wouldn't be in the bullpen to begin with.   
    I think that's the case with middle relievers, but not necessarily with closers. Maybe back in the days of yore, but not today. Today, I think closers are groomed from high school.

    True - more and more Closers have been relief specialists from the get-go.  Guys like Kimbrell, Holland, Street, Robertson were relievers their entire pro careers.   The few that get converted from starters (Rosenthal/Papelbon) are usually hard throwers that can't quite command as many pitches.  They would have probably been OK starters, but they can really excel at closing.
    When it comes to Robertson, he's probably worth the $ 35-40 million deal if he can lock down those 4-5 extra games that a goof like Belisario would blow.  But for as 73 win team like the Sox, 4-5 extra wins still don't cut it. Sox are better off at this point trying to homegrow a closer from the power arms they have in the minors or scavenging a power arm from someone else (like they did with Jenks a few years ago).

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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by Guest on Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:24 pm

    The poster formerly known as the KARK agrees with Roger

    And let me add, if they want to develop young relief talent, they probably need to face more than 1 or 2 batters at a time. If 2015 is anotyer rebuilder, give these kid relievers 1 or 2 innings and stop acting like every game is Game 7
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by TeleFrank on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:25 am

    You all seem to assume that the Yankees will throw a lot of money at this guy. You know it seems like the Steinbrenner kids are not as crazy as the old man about throwing money around. What's the term for a rich prick that won't spend money. Fiscally conservative or GOPer? Something like that.
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    Re: David Robertson

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:41 am

    TeleFrank wrote:You all seem to assume that the Yankees will throw a lot of money at this guy. You know it seems like the Steinbrenner kids are not as crazy as the old man about throwing money around. What's the term for a rich prick that won't spend money. Fiscally conservative or GOPer? Something like that.
    REINSDORFIAN would be the term.

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