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    Alexei

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:51 pm

    Yankees, Dodgers and Mets interested!!


    John, you said you would quit the season tickets if the Sox traded Beckham and Ramirez!!!


    You would be free of all of this bullshit!!


    Go once in awhile.


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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Soxillinirob on Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:04 pm

    I'm not totally against it, but do the Sox have anything resembling an adequate replacement at SS?  If you're going to give up the most important infield position in a trade, you sure as hell better feel like what you're getting in return is a huge step in the right direction.
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Cream1953 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:48 pm

    Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Soxillinirob on Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:52 pm

    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by winstonage on Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:24 pm

    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by alohafri on Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:40 pm

    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    I agree that we won't contend until 2016. If he's getting calls now, maybe we can make a better deal than we could in a July trade. Does anyone know how long he is locked in for?

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:25 pm

    alohafri wrote:
    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    I agree that we won't contend until 2016. If he's getting calls now, maybe we can make a better deal than we could in a July trade. Does anyone know how long he is locked in for?

    2 years at $10 million per year, if the Sox exercise their option for 2016 at the end of next season.

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Guest on Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:37 am

    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?


    The advantage of trading Ramirez is saving $10mil and possibly getting a good prospect or two

    The disadvantage is that it reduces their chances in 2015


    I guess the theory is that we suck with you, so lets suck without you, save the cash and hopefully have a prospect that turns out just as good a year or two from now.

    Granted writing off 2015 b4 pitch one kinda blows.  But really, how much gas is left in Ramirez tank?  Suppodedly he was born 9-22-1981.  

    Remember the old adage, better traded a year to early than a year to late.

    That said, I say the Sox keep him because they have the potential to surprise everybody in 2015
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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:43 am

    WIN NOW-RELOAD-NO EXCUSES!!!


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    Re: Alexei

    Post by alohafri on Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:45 am

    Tank Viciedo wrote:WIN NOW-RELOAD-NO EXCUSES!!!


    Shooters is gone!!  Reinsdorf finally has to do something to cheer up the Fanboys!!!

    I'm surprised you aren't up in arms about the potential of trading your fellow Cuban, Tank.
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Shooters Buffet on Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:40 am

    As long as I GET PAID, THAT is what matters!!


    Fuck my batting average!!


    Fuck Winning.... let Fanboys whop dine at Shooters worry about THAT!!

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Guest on Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:37 pm

    I agree that we won't contend until 2016.

    Trade Alexei - and this from the only board member willing to defend him unendlessly when you guys were calling him lazy and stupid and a hacker - he is, the best SS the Sox have had since Aparicio - but you trade him for decent/good prospects .
    Unless Hahn is allowed to go crazy over the next 2 winters, I can't see how they contend in 2016, so why keep an aging SS?. They have 2 starting pitchers and NO bullpen. They have holes at 2b, sorta at 3b, LF and Garcia in right is still an unknown. And lets not even mention catching. Not all of this is hangin out in the Sox minor league system, so Hahn has to buy, not only in bulk, but in quality, and at a discount price. Can that happen? I suppose. Will it? Not sure anything in the past would lead me to think it will....oh wait, I remember when Veeck first purchased the team and he and Hemond set up a table in the lobby of the hotel where the winter conference was being held and essentially changed the team around by trading for a bunch of players ...so I guess anything is possible
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by jaywit on Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:22 pm

    tHe SicKo FANt wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?


    The advantage of trading Ramirez is saving $10mil and possibly getting a good prospect or two

    The disadvantage is that it reduces their chances in 2015


    I guess the theory is that we suck with you, so lets suck without you, save the cash and hopefully have a prospect that turns out just as good a year or two from now.

    Granted writing off 2015 b4 pitch one kinda blows.  But really, how much gas is left in Ramirez tank?  Suppodedly he was born 9-22-1981.  

    Remember the old adage, better traded a year to early than a year to late.


    Agreed.  Cream's description of Alexei could be applied verbatim to Konerko after 2012.  In retrospectroview, who wouldn't trade Konerko for a decent prospect following 2012?
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by rmapasad on Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:02 pm

    jaywit wrote:
    The advantage of trading Ramirez is saving $10mil and possibly getting a good prospect or two
    The disadvantage is that it reduces their chances in 2015
    I guess the theory is that we suck with you, so lets suck without you, save the cash and hopefully have a prospect that turns out just as good a year or two from now.
    Granted writing off 2015 b4 pitch one kinda blows.  But really, how much gas is left in Ramirez tank?  Suppodedly he was born 9-22-1981.  Remember the old adage, better traded a year to early than a year to late.

    Agreed.  Cream's description of Alexei could be applied verbatim to Konerko after 2012.  In retrospectroview, who wouldn't trade Konerko for a decent prospect following 2012?

    Only a numbskull GM like the recently fired Ned Colletti would have traded a good prospect for Konerko after 2012.   Sure Paulie had a nice 2012 season, but he was turning 37, at a defensively unimportant position, and was owed $13 million the next year.   He might have commanded a C+ type prospect but most clubs would have thought taking on his salary at his age was favor enough to the White Sox.  Not much more pot-sweetening needed.
    Alexei, however, will be 33, is a good defender at an important spot where there's a scarcity of talent, and is owed $ 10 mil.. Sure, if the Sox can buy into 2015 as a rebuilding year then it's possible to get a B/B+ prospect, that might be a deal worth making.
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    Post by Cream1953 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:17 pm

    Cream's description of Alexei could be applied verbatim to Konerko after 2012. 

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by sox55 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:26 pm

    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.
    OR----------- sign Gordon Beckham to a 1 yr deal to play his "natural position" ....... Very Happy

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:05 pm

    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    It would take a couple top notch prospects.  Maybe the Dodgers might be willing to part with OF Joc Pederson and SS/3B Cory Seager.

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by winstonage on Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:56 pm

    MGJOHNSON wrote:
    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    It would take a couple top notch prospects.  Maybe the Dodgers might be willing to part with OF Joc Pederson and SS/3B Cory Seager.

    Those 2 get Tulowitzki not Alexi.

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:23 pm

    winstonage wrote:
    MGJOHNSON wrote:
    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    It would take a couple top notch prospects.  Maybe the Dodgers might be willing to part with OF Joc Pederson and SS/3B Cory Seager.

    Those 2 get Tulowitzki not Alexi.

    Ah, I just wanted to see Roger's reaction.
    "We" could throw in Jordan Danks. Laughing
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Nomads44 on Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:26 am

    MGJOHNSON wrote:
    winstonage wrote:
    Soxillinirob wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Personally I'd hate to see him go. He's NOT the problem. An EVERYDAY player who's solid at his position, loves the game, has a decent bat, and seems good in the clubhouse is pretty fucking hard to replace.

    My thoughts exactly.  To what ends would we be trading him?

    I think if they could get a couple of real good cost controlled players, I would do it. If not, keep him for the next 2 years as a bridge to Anderson. I don't think they are shopping him, but apparently Hahn is getting calls. I think'16 is the year that they can contend, so add to the core if they can. Let Sanchez play short until Anderson arrives, at least he can play defense.

    It would take a couple top notch prospects.  Maybe the Dodgers might be willing to part with OF Joc Pederson and SS/3B Cory Seager.

    They are the two plums I dealt for in my rotisserie league.
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:51 pm

    MGJOHNSON wrote:
    Ah, I just wanted to see Roger's reaction.
    "We" could throw in Jordan Danks. Laughing

    With Ned Colletti as Dodger GM, giving away a good prospect for a "proven vet" was a real possibility.  With Andrew Friedman as Pres and Farhan Zaidi as GM, not a chance.

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:46 am

    Today from Rotoworld.com:

    "USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that the Dodgers are "aggressively pursuing" a trade for Alexei Ramirez. The Dodgers are expected to let Hanley Ramirez walk as a free agent, creating a hole at shortstop. Instead of handing the job over to Erisbel Arruebarrena, it appears they're targeting Ramirez, who is owed $10 million with a $10 million club option for 2016. The White Sox shortstop batted .273/.305/.408 with 15 homers, 74 RBI and 21 steals this past season."

    Pederson PLUS Seager should get 'er done... Smile

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    Re: Alexei

    Post by MGJOHNSON on Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:56 am

    Given Stanton's humongous contract, $10 million/year for 2 years for an All-Star shortstop sounds damn cheap.  Any team wanting to get Alexei Ramirez should have to pay thru the nose.  Call it inflation!
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:04 am

    I love it.  Soon we will see Spring Training holdouts again!!


    Some guy in year 3 of a 6 year contract will see what guys were getting in November and hold out for a new deal.


    The spirit of Richie Allen will live on!!


    ROTFLMFAO!!!!


    What a great industry if you are an above average player!!  Even better for STIFFS like Beckham.  The cash just flows!!!


    Thank God for devoted fans like Howie checking the stores to se if they are selling White Sox merch!!!
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    Re: Alexei

    Post by Hawk Harrelson on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:05 am

    To think what an idiot I was in senior year of high school in 1972 to be concerned with the baseball strike early that delayed the season.


    Live and learn.

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