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    Danks coughs up lead!!!

    Post by Shooters Buffet on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:28 pm

    Danks pukes up 4 runs for Tigers after Sox led 3-0.


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    Post by jaywit on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:53 pm

    Sox planned to hang onto him all along.  He wouldn't be pitching today if they were hoping to trade him.
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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:07 pm

    Nobody wants the guy's contract!  The Sox do not trade people and pay them.
    I have read and heard the Yankees would not take on the money owed to Danks.


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    Post by Cream1953 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:26 pm

    You mean Johnny now has to turn another corner?? Where's Roger to defend Mr. "Quality Start"???
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    Post by Shooters Buffet on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:43 pm

    Roger is on the much needed vacation.
    After all, he did tell us in the same sentence how pitching totally dominates the game after he attended a game in Anaheim where the winning run was walked in.
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    Post by alohafri on Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:09 pm

    Tank Viciedo wrote:Nobody wants the guy's contract!  The Sox do not trade people and pay them.
    I have read and heard the Yankees would not take on the money owed to Danks.


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    When did Danks' current contract start?
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    Post by Soxillinirob on Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:15 pm

    alohafri wrote:

    When did Danks' current contract start?

    Before last season.  Has two full years left at 14.5 mill per.
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    Post by rmapasad on Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:58 pm

    Cream1953 wrote:You mean Johnny now has to turn another corner?? Where's Roger to defend Mr. "Quality Start"???


    By chance they had the Tigers-Sox game on TV in hotel restaurant so caught Danks' act in the 2nd+3rd inning.  He was throwing fucking batting practice.  Tiger guys were laughing about it in the dugpout.  Clearly his 2 month hot streak has come to an end, as I imagine advance scouts have figured out his patterns..  Also clear last 2 starts before this destroyed his trade value and now Sox have to hope that somehow he can figure out how to be a finesse pitcher because an 87 mph FB doesn't cut it. 
    My point all along was that IF Danks could keep his ERA around 4.00, he has some value.  And he had battled his way to that point a couple weeks ago.  But if he's basically a 5.00 pitcher, then all bets are off.   It's up to him to learn from these recent shellackings and if his pride makes him work harder to get finesse pitching down, we shall see.  He could also punch the clock, continue to take beatings, and collect the remaining $33 million on his contract.   In which case, he better invest that money wisely because his baseball earnings are over the second the contract runs out.

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    Post by Guest on Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:08 pm

    But if he's basically a 5.00 pitcher, then all bets are off.   It's up to him to learn from these recent shellackings and if his pride makes him work harder to get finesse pitching down, we shall see.  He could also punch the clock, continue to take beatings, and collect the remaining $33 million on his contract.   In which case, he better invest that money wisely because his baseball earnings are over the second the contract runs out.


    You can't be a finesse pitcher without having great control. You can't really "teach" great control. Danks will not survive as a finesse pitcher. They should coax him into retiring saying his arm is shot and collect the fuckin' insurance on his contract and be done with it ..

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    Post by winstonage on Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:25 am

    Chi-kid wrote:But if he's basically a 5.00 pitcher, then all bets are off.   It's up to him to learn from these recent shellackings and if his pride makes him work harder to get finesse pitching down, we shall see.  He could also punch the clock, continue to take beatings, and collect the remaining $33 million on his contract.   In which case, he better invest that money wisely because his baseball earnings are over the second the contract runs out.


    You can't be a finesse pitcher without having great control. You can't really "teach" great control. Danks will not survive as a finesse pitcher. They should coax him into retiring saying his arm is shot and collect the fuckin' insurance on his contract and be done with it ..

    Danks, Dunn and no farm system, is it any wonder that JR sent Kenny to his room? Before the extension, Kenny offered Danks to the Yankees, demanding their top 2 pitching prospects, that kid Betances who is lighting it up out of the bullpen was one of them. Cashmen said no so the idiot extends Danks. Danks was regressing before his injury, he should have let him walk.
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    Post by alohafri on Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:38 am

    Chi-kid wrote:But if he's basically a 5.00 pitcher, then all bets are off.   It's up to him to learn from these recent shellackings and if his pride makes him work harder to get finesse pitching down, we shall see.  He could also punch the clock, continue to take beatings, and collect the remaining $33 million on his contract.   In which case, he better invest that money wisely because his baseball earnings are over the second the contract runs out.


    You can't be a finesse pitcher without having great control. You can't really "teach" great control. Danks will not survive as a finesse pitcher. They should coax him into retiring saying his arm is shot and collect the fuckin' insurance on his contract and be done with it ..

    I'm no pitching coach, but there is something in his delivery that looks like a high school kid trying to force something that isn't there.
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    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:43 am

    Maybe Harvey will show up at Nomadsfest and break down his delivery for us!

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:48 am

    Jack Brickhouse wrote:Maybe Harvey will show up at Nomadsfest and break down his delivery for us!

    I think it's broke enough. 
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    Post by rmapasad on Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:23 pm

    Agree that it's no easy thing for Danks to make a conversion into a control artist, but others have done it before - classical example being Tommy John.  Danks could also be next Barry Zito who never made that switch.  With the Giants, Zito alternated between being serviceable at times (4.00 ERA) but mostly bad (5.00-ish ERA's).   Zito had a long, secure contract and a lot of outside interests so he may not have been incented to hunker down and work hard on getting better. Same could be true for Danks.
    As to Kenny's decision, Danks didn't need a multi-year deal in late 2011 - he wasn't a free agent until 2013 season. I think Kenny may have panicked after Buehrle left and extended Danks to "secure the future".   You're right Craig, he had some red flags in 2011 - highest ERA of his Sox career (although it wasn't that bad), giving up more baserunners, on the DL for a month, and he had a rotten Sept.  Only positive sign was that his K/BB ratio in 2011 was a career best.
    But the red flags should have prompted Sox go to arb, given him the $ 8-9 mil or so to stay in 2012, and then make a midsummer or postseason decision about extending.  Obviously had they done that there would have been no extension.

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:22 pm

    Agree that it's no easy thing for Danks to make a conversion into a control artist, but others have done it before - classical example being Tommy John


    TOMMY JOHN???  John walked less guys BEFORE his arm surgery than after.  John was always an excellent control pitcher.  As Creamer has pointed out, Danks throws 100 pitches by the 4th inning.
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    Post by Jack Brickhouse on Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:51 pm

    Danks will be on the staff for the 2016 charge to the L.C.S.!!!!!


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    Post by rmapasad on Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:47 pm

    Chi-kid wrote:TOMMY JOHN???  John walked less guys BEFORE his arm surgery than after.  John was always an excellent control pitcher.  As Creamer has pointed out, Danks throws 100 pitches by the 4th inning.
    No - John was a better control pitcher AFTER his surgery.  He was averaging mid -high 2.00's BB/9 before surgery but high 1.00's after.
    He learned a whole new delivery post-op.
    Danks'  BB/9 pre-surgery was almost as good as John's pre-surgery (high 2.00's).  But Danks is up to mid 3.00's this year which is one of his problems.  Danks' other issue is getting ball up in the zone, where John got the ball down with his sinkerball. 
    I've never disagreed with you that it will be tough for Danks to convert himself.  He looked like he made some progress judging with his mid-May to mid-July success but I think the league has caught up to his junk-throwing.  Hitters are just waiting him out, running up his pitch counts, then hammering him when he has to throw strikes.   Not only does Danks have to spot his balls better but he needs a pitch that will get him some more groundballs.  Depends how hard he wants to work at it.

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    Post by winstonage on Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:02 pm

    Chi-kid wrote:Agree that it's no easy thing for Danks to make a conversion into a control artist, but others have done it before - classical example being Tommy John


    TOMMY JOHN???  John walked less guys BEFORE his arm surgery than after.  John was always an excellent control pitcher.  As Creamer has pointed out, Danks throws 100 pitches by the 4th inning.

    I think the best example of a guy becoming a successful finress  pitcher after surgery, was Freddie Garcia. Sweaty Freddie had some solid seasons post surgery.

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