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    jaywit
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by jaywit on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:49 am

    MGJOHNSON wrote:
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    MGJOHNSON wrote:My guess is that Seattle may want to unload Dustin Ackley.  I'd trade De Aza for Ackley in a heartbeat, but probably not Viciedo.

    Ackley is a bigger bust than Beckham.  I hope they don't get him for either of the two.

    Ah, Jay, in a De Aza for Ackley trade, I was just looking at it from the Hooterville standpoint of trading bust for bust -- and the younger boobs are usually more preferably to the older ones.  Smile

    Besides, the Sox could than make Kark happy by platooning Beckham and Ackley at 2B...  Razz 

    I'd like to see De Aza moved mainly to avoid taking at bats from Viciedo.  I don't want him moved for another failing infielder turned outfielder like Ackley or another borderline outfielder. Giving them both 300 at bats is ensuring both will be busts.  Pick your bust you can live with (the one with more potential) and give him the at bats to prove or disprove himself.  Viciedo is our bust and this year is his last chance to disprove that.  As Sharpy has said, they're not going to bring in someone better than Viciedo.  Stick with the bust you know who happens to be young and still with a potential for decent power numbers.

    John, has V shown any more patience at the plate this spring?
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by Bobbyrosebowl on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:51 am

    Can't wait for the DRAFT!!!

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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:25 pm

    The platoon makes no sense at all.
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    A platoon doesn't make sense only if you think Viciedo can become a quality everyday player.

    A platoon makes tons of sense as long a Stiff 1 and Stiff 2 are the best thing in camp.  They are also worth a hell of a lot more than the bag of balls most here want to trade either for

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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by Guest on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:39 pm

    They are also worth a hell of a lot more than the bag of balls most here want to trade either for


    One of them is. The other is a poor lead off hitter who doesn't walk, strikes out too much, thinks he's babe ruth in power, can't throw and has average range in CF. And thats not even talking about or bringing up his absolutely atrocious base running blunders.  Other than that, he's a keeper!
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    Post by Bobbyrosebowl on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:52 pm

    Funny how Winter makes one forget DeAza and OAF are usually in a strikeout contest.  The idea that most of these Sox players are somehow VALUABLE is ludicrous.  You would be lucky to get a bucket of balls for some of this crap.
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:26 pm

    I don't want him moved for another failing infielder turned outfielder like Ackley or another borderline outfielder. Giving them both 300 at bats is ensuring both will be busts.  Pick your bust you can live with (the one with more potential) and give him the at bats to prove or disprove himself.  Viciedo is our bust and this year is his last chance to disprove that.  As Sharpy has said, they're not going to bring in someone better than Viciedo.  Stick with the bust you know who happens to be young and still with a potential for decent power numbers. >>
    It's basically
    pick your poison right now.  Ackley doesn't seem to have enough pop in his bat, and Viciedo's a dumb ass.  While they're young enough in theory to get better, their problems can't be cured enough to transform them into good players.   Like you said, Tank's upside is better with his power - maybe 270/315/450 but with subpar defense. Ackley's might be 265/350/390 with OK defense.  Neither of those profiles would be a big asset in LF.   While one could turn out better than the other, it still wouldn't be a big coup for the "winning" GM.
    Had read that the Mariners were thinking of peddling Michael Saunders instead.  That might have more to offer.  When adjusted for ballparks, Saunders has put up 108 and 106 OPS+ to Tank's 98 and 94 these past two years, and Saunders is definitely a cut above defensively and on the bases.   But Saunders is 2 years older and he isn't likely to get much better.  Sox's park favors power, which Tank has more of.  This would be a net gain for the Sox if both guys replicated their last two years, but not enough of a gain to just give up on Viciedo altogether.
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:28 pm

    I don't want him moved for another failing infielder turned outfielder like Ackley or another borderline outfielder. Giving them both 300 at bats is ensuring both will be busts.  Pick your bust you can live with (the one with more potential) and give him the at bats to prove or disprove himself.  Viciedo is our bust and this year is his last chance to disprove that.  As Sharpy has said, they're not going to bring in someone better than Viciedo.  Stick with the bust you know who happens to be young and still with a potential for decent power numbers. >>
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    pick your poison right now.  Ackley doesn't seem to have enough pop in his bat, and Viciedo's a dumb ass.  While they're young enough in theory to get better, their problems can't be cured enough to transform them into good players.   Like you said, Tank's upside is better with his power - maybe 270/315/450 but with subpar defense. Ackley's might be 265/350/390 with OK defense.  Neither of those profiles would be a big asset in LF.   While one could turn out better than the other, it still wouldn't be a big coup for the "winning" GM.
    Had read that the Mariners were thinking of peddling Michael Saunders instead.  That might have more to offer.  When adjusted for ballparks, Saunders has put up 108 and 106 OPS+ to Tank's 98 and 94 these past two years, and Saunders is definitely a cut above defensively and on the bases.   But Saunders is 2 years older and he isn't likely to get much better.  Sox's park favors power, which Tank has more of.  This would be a net gain for the Sox if both guys replicated their last two years, but not enough of a gain to just give up on Viciedo altogether.
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by rmapasad on Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:41 pm

    Funny how Winter makes one forget DeAza and OAF are usually in a strikeout contest.  The idea that most of these Sox players are somehow VALUABLE is ludicrous.  You would be lucky to get a bucket of balls for some of this crap.>>
    DeAza is a decent 4th-5th OFer so he's not worthless, but 4th OFer's aren't worth much.  Dunn is a marginal platoon DH/pinch hitter.. Possible some club is willing at midseason to take the risk of his horrendous Bat Avg if  they have no one else in their system.  Here again, they give up only a very marginal prospect at best.
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    Post by Bobbyrosebowl on Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:02 pm

    A 4th or 5th OF that the 99 loss White Sox had LEADING OFF!!!!

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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by winstonage on Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:04 pm

    rmapasad wrote:I don't want him moved for another failing infielder turned outfielder like Ackley or another borderline outfielder. Giving them both 300 at bats is ensuring both will be busts.  Pick your bust you can live with (the one with more potential) and give him the at bats to prove or disprove himself.  Viciedo is our bust and this year is his last chance to disprove that.  As Sharpy has said, they're not going to bring in someone better than Viciedo.  Stick with the bust you know who happens to be young and still with a potential for decent power numbers. >>
    It's basically
    pick your poison right now.  Ackley doesn't seem to have enough pop in his bat, and Viciedo's a dumb ass.  While they're young enough in theory to get better, their problems can't be cured enough to transform them into good players.   Like you said, Tank's upside is better with his power - maybe 270/315/450 but with subpar defense. Ackley's might be 265/350/390 with OK defense.  Neither of those profiles would be a big asset in LF.   While one could turn out better than the other, it still wouldn't be a big coup for the "winning" GM.
    Had read that the Mariners were thinking of peddling Michael Saunders instead.  That might have more to offer.  When adjusted for ballparks, Saunders has put up 108 and 106 OPS+ to Tank's 98 and 94 these past two years, and Saunders is definitely a cut above defensively and on the bases.   But Saunders is 2 years older and he isn't likely to get much better.  Sox's park favors power, which Tank has more of.  This would be a net gain for the Sox if both guys replicated their last two years, but not enough of a gain to just give up on Viciedo altogether.
      I don't trade Viciedo,he has little value now. Next year he goes to DH, no defensive negative war. Maybe he improves at the plate this year.
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    Re: Seattle scouting The Tank!

    Post by alohafri on Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:32 pm

    Chi-kid wrote:They are also worth a hell of a lot more than the bag of balls most here want to trade either for


    One of them is. The other is a poor lead off hitter who doesn't walk, strikes out too much, thinks he's babe ruth in power, can't throw and has average range in CF. And thats not even talking about or bringing up his absolutely atrocious base running blunders.  Other than that, he's a keeper!

    I would have cut DeAza after the baserunning blunders I saw alone.
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    Post by Bobbyrosebowl on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:03 pm

    Viciedo had better learn to hit and learn quickly.  Abreu needs SOMEBODY to protect him in the lineup.  How many good pitches will he see in run producing situations this season when all the pitcher has to do is look in the on deck circle at OAF and Paulie the relic?

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