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    Post by frank bonifacic on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:04 pm

    Just heard on the Score that Rios was claimed on waivers. No further info at thus time as to by whom

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:26 pm

    frank bonifacic wrote:Just heard on the Score that Rios was claimed on waivers. No further info at thus time as to by whom
    Whether the Sox will jettison Rios for the waiver price (as they did Casper Wells today with the Phillies) or pull him back to try to make a deal remains to be seen. If the Sox take the waiver price, the other team assumes his contract.  It's not all that shocking that some team would claim Rios.  Dunn, though, would likely fly through waivers unclaimed.  The Sox won't move Dunn unless they pay a chunk of his remaining contract.
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    Post by rmapasad on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:28 pm

     Just heard on the Score that Rios was claimed on waivers. No further info at thus time as to by whom >
    Meaning there are 48 hours to work out a deal or Sox can pull him back from waivers.  If this goes through it should relieve the Sox of about $ 17-18 million of what's owed to Rios for rest of this year, 2014 and his option buyout for 2015.  Plus it opens up RF for Garcia who is hitting .417 at Charlotte right now.

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:38 pm

    rmapasad wrote: Just heard on the Score that Rios was claimed on waivers. No further info at thus time as to by whom >
    Meaning there are 48 hours to work out a deal or Sox can pull him back from waivers.  If this goes through it should relieve the Sox of about $ 17-18 million of what's owed to Rios for rest of this year, 2014 and his option buyout for 2015.  Plus it opens up RF for Garcia who is hitting .417 at Charlotte right now.
    The Sox may be tempted to grab the waiver price and run - like the Blue Jays did when the Sox claimed Rios off waivers from them.
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    Post by rmapasad on Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:34 pm

     The Sox may be tempted to grab the waiver price and run - like the Blue Jays did when the Sox claimed Rios off waivers from them. >>
      Of course in '09, Rios had $ 60 million left on his deal, and now it's down to "only" $ 18 million or so. That's much more manageable and unlike the Blue Jays, Sox probably feel they are entitled to get some prospects back.  Obviously they couldn't agree to anything before July 31, so the haggling will probably go on.  Sox could also just hang on until the end of year and trade him then.  He would still be a decent trading chip since clubs would see his 1 yr remaining as a considerably cheaper option than a 5 yr deal with a free agent. 
    Then again with Garcia knocking at the door, Sox may conclude that getting free of Rios' salary is deal enough.  This is Reinsdorf after all.  Smile 

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:58 pm

    rmapasad wrote: The Sox may be tempted to grab the waiver price and run - like the Blue Jays did when the Sox claimed Rios off waivers from them. >>
      Of course in '09, Rios had $ 60 million left on his deal, and now it's down to "only" $ 18 million or so. That's much more manageable and unlike the Blue Jays, Sox probably feel they are entitled to get some prospects back.  Obviously they couldn't agree to anything before July 31, so the haggling will probably go on.  Sox could also just hang on until the end of year and trade him then.  He would still be a decent trading chip since clubs would see his 1 yr remaining as a considerably cheaper option than a 5 yr deal with a free agent. 
    Then again with Garcia knocking at the door, Sox may conclude that getting free of Rios' salary is deal enough.  This is Reinsdorf after all.  Smile 
    It also depends on which team put in the waiver claim and whatever their reasoning may be. If it's Texas, they may be willing to take on Rios's contract and also send a prospect or two to the Sox in return since the Rangers have lost Nelson Cruz to the PED suspension. However, if it's a team like Cleveland or Baltimore, whose motive might be to block a team like Texas which they see themselves chasing for a wildcard berth, they may tell the Sox to either take the waiver claim or stick it. As long as they remain behind Texas in the standings, they can keep blocking the Rangers from getting Rios by putting in a waiver claim every time the Sox try to get him through.

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:04 pm

    It is now being reported that it is Texas that put in the waiver claim. If true, the Sox should end up getting more for Rios (and his contract) than the waiver price.

    From Rotoworld.com: "Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Rangers put in the waiver claim on Alex Rios. FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal was the first to report the claim on Thursday afternoon but did not know the team. Texas had interest in acquiring Rios at the July 31 deadline and ultimately passed but could try a little harder to work out a swap now that Nelson Cruz has decided not to appeal his 50-game PED suspension. Rios, 32, is batting .277/.328/.421 with 12 homers and 26 stolen bases in 109 games this season for Chicago."
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    Post by sox55 on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:14 pm

    MGJOHNSON wrote:It is now being reported that it is Texas that put in the waiver claim.  If true, the Sox should end up getting more for Rios (and his contract) than the waiver price.

    From Rotoworld.com: "Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Rangers put in the waiver claim on Alex Rios. FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal was the first to report the claim on Thursday afternoon but did not know the team. Texas had interest in acquiring Rios at the July 31 deadline and ultimately passed but could try a little harder to work out a swap now that Nelson Cruz has decided not to appeal his 50-game PED suspension. Rios, 32, is batting .277/.328/.421 with 12 homers and 26 stolen bases in 109 games this season for Chicago."
    Screw it..........just dump him
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    Post by Cream1953 on Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:27 pm

    Screw it..........just dump him

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    That pretty much sums it up for me as well.

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    Post by MGJOHNSON on Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:12 pm

    Cream1953 wrote:Screw it..........just dump him

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    That pretty much sums it up for me as well.
    Yeah, I imagine that if the Sox blow the chance to get rid of Rios by insisting on getting some strikeout prone ex-football player thrown into the deal, they will piss off a lot of fans...
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    Post by chisoxkid on Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:32 pm

    I don't think you just dump him.  The money being freed up won't go towards anything good anytime soon (remember, as you've all noted... this is Reinsdorf, and our recent FA signings haven't been anything special).  To me, giving him away just for salary relief doesn't add anything to the organization.  If you can't get any halfway decent prospect then just hang on to him and try again in the offseason or next year at the deadline.

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    Post by Guest on Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:11 pm

    Cream1953 wrote:Screw it..........just dump him

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    That pretty much sums it up for me as well.



    The KARK is with the both of you.

    Sure i'd love to get something back for Rios. In fact, it almost sense like gross negligence to give him away.

    BUT, the Sox had the entire month of July to peddle him and they couldn't. I fail to see how his trade value will go up between now & the winter meetings. If anything, it goes down. And if he gets hurt, the Sox are screwed.

    Get what you can in the next 48 hours, but he better be a Ranger this weekend or I'll be pissed
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    Post by alohafri on Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:58 pm

    THE KARK wrote:
    Cream1953 wrote:Screw it..........just dump him

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    That pretty much sums it up for me as well.


    The KARK is with the both of you.

    Sure i'd love to get something back for Rios.  In fact, it almost sense like gross negligence to give him away.

    BUT, the Sox had the entire month of July to peddle him and they couldn't.  I fail to see how his trade value will go up between now & the winter meetings. If anything, it goes down.  And if he gets hurt, the Sox are screwed.

    Get what you can in the next 48 hours, but he better be a Ranger this weekend or I'll be pissed
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    Post by frank bonifacic on Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:54 am


    rmapasad wrote: Just heard on the Score that Rios was claimed on waivers. No further info at thus time as to by whom >
    Meaning there are 48 hours to work out a deal or Sox can pull him back from waivers.  If this goes through it should relieve the Sox of about $ 17-18 million of what's owed to Rios for rest of this year, 2014 and his option buyout for 2015.  Plus it opens up RF for Garcia who is hitting .417 at Charlotte right now.
     Roger:
    Saw in trib today that it said they had 72 hrs to make a deal. Seeing as how I would take your statement over theirs, was curious as to whether they made a mistake. (P.S.- not being a art ass, just wondering)
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    Post by rmapasad on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:19 am

    chisoxkid wrote:I don't think you just dump him.  The money being freed up won't go towards anything good anytime soon (remember, as you've all noted... this is Reinsdorf, and our recent FA signings haven't been anything special).  To me, giving him away just for salary relief doesn't add anything to the organization.  If you can't get any halfway decent prospect then just hang on to him and try again in the offseason or next year at the deadline.
    Dayn Perry of CBS Sports seems to go along with your analysis:

    <Rios went on waivers on Monday, and the Rangers' claim was awarded Wednesday. The Rangers and White Sox discussed a Rios deal before the July 31 non-waiver deadline, but sources tell Knobler they "weren't even close" at the time. The Rangers apparently were willing to take on the salary (Rios is owed $12.5 million for 2014 plus a $1-million buyout for 2015), but didn't offer the White Sox much in the way of prospects.
    While a deal is certainly still possible, the White Sox may be inclined to wait until the winter to move Rios. As one rival exec told Knobler, "Look at the free-agent list." In other words, with a weak free-agent class in the offing, Rios could have more value once they can once again market him to multiple teams.
    If there's no trade worked out, then Rios is basically untradeable for the rest of the season. That's because if the White Sox put him on waivers again, those would be irrevocable waivers -- i.e., if someone claims him, they get him for just the waiver price. That's not going to happen. >


    Sox are trying to get something for him besides salary relief.   And yes, Rios could still be tradable in the offseason for the reasons noted about the FA market and his cost would be less than the big names.  Plus the savings Sox get from his remaining salary ( $ 18 m) aren't likely to help them that much in the FA market where it takes at least a $ 40-50 million overall commitment to land any decent offensive player. 
    Of course Sox shouldn't be overestimating his value either.   Since June 1st, he's hit a grand total of 2 HR's and his OBP is in .310 range.   Yes, he's streaky and he could have another hot spell in him but historically August and September have been his two worst months.   These are undoubtedly facts that Texas is throwing at Hahn, along with the possibility of Rios getting injured in the meantime.
    Most of Texas' good prospects are in lower minors, but if Sox could land the 3bman (Odor) who is only 19 and in AA already, that could be win enough to move Rios.  Apparently, the Sox wanted both Odor and Martin Perez (who's in majors already) plus another pitcher for Rios before the July 31 deadline.  That demand is ridiculous.  So it may be that Hahn has to get realistic and take at least one good although fairly young prospect.

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    Post by Bobbyrosebowl on Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:11 am

    Dump Dog Rios and his CONTRACT NOW.  This idea that his VALUE will go up over the Winter is fucking stupid.  Look at MLB now.  TRADES ARE MADE NOW!!!  During the SEASON when teams decide if they are buyers or sellers.  The Winter Meetings big trades have gone the way of the dinosaur.  Don't overvalue this piece of shit.  DUMP HIS MONEY.
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    Post by Cream1953 on Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:56 am

    Dump Dog Rios and his CONTRACT NOW.  This idea that his VALUE will go up over the Winter is fucking stupid.  Look at MLB now.  TRADES ARE MADE NOW!!!  During the SEASON when teams decide if they are buyers or sellers.  The Winter Meetings big trades have gone the way of the dinosaur.  Don't overvalue this piece of shit.  DUMP HIS MONEY.

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    Yup!! While the White Sox hem-haw around trying to squeeze as much blood out of the turnip as they can, I have this sinking feeling we're going to be stuck with this fucker for another year. Who cares what they get for him? I'm thinking on top of being lazy and a LOSER, he's a cancer in the club house too.

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:56 am

    The White Sox started 2013 with a payroll over $100mil.  If they dump Rios, they can start 2014 with a payroll under $70mil. 

    Here's your guaranteed money, assuming the White Sox do the right thing with Rios

    Dunn $15mil
    Ramirez $9.5mil
    Keppinger $4mil
    Danks $14.25mil

    Almost $43mil for about $12mil worth of production

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:00 pm

    Dunn Cleared Waivers ....they can work a trade with anyone if they can find that one sucker.

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:02 pm

    However, if the Sox dump Rios and go into the winter meeting with a payroll under $70mil, the can theoretically spend another $60mil for 2014. Is that enough to buy an offense?

    Assuming the pitching staff is set, other than minor tinkering, the lineup would need to replace a retiring Konerko and the black hole at 3B. Pray Viciedo, Garcia and Beckham finally hit like they are capable of. Pray Ramirez brain turns back on, Pray Dunn has the big contract push.

    Who's the biggest bat in the free agent market?

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    Post by Guest on Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:05 pm

    Chi-kid wrote:Dunn Cleared Waivers ....they can work a trade with anyone if they can find that one sucker.
     Actually, they needed a sucker to claim him off waivers

    Hey, maybe they can trade Dunn and Rios to the Rangers.


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